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Unread 08-08-2011, 04:20 AM   #1
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What lift type is it?

I was told when I bought my 1989 Cherokee Limited that it had a 2" lift.

However, It seems more like 1 1/2 or 1 1/4" after I subtract a couple inches for the 31" tires (assuming stock height of 63.3"). I expect this may be due to wear, and trying to haul too much weight (bricks )

My questions are:
How do i figure out what kind of lift I have?

How do I fix it back up to the 2" lift

e.g. If I had WJ front springs I could go to JY and get another pair, OR If bastard pack, I could just add a leaf each side rear.

Also rear leaves are spreading a little, so I need to bind them together...

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Unread 08-08-2011, 06:50 AM   #2
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The only way to measure for true lift height is to measure from the center of the wheel to the bottom of the flares. This eliminates any tire size differences. If your fenders are trimmed you can measure from the frame to the axle tubes and there is a picture somewhere on here to show where to measure. If your fenders aren't trimmed the stock height is 17" in the rear and 17.5" up front. WJ coils don't fit on XJ's. ZJ coils will give very little lift 1/2" to 1" and will ride like crap. The easiest way to lift the front a small amount is to add coil spacers or extra rubber isolators to the top of the coils. The factory isolators are cheap and each one will give about 5/8" of lift. Spacers are good to around 2" of lift and after that you need longer coils. You can add-a-leaf in the rear from another set of leafs or use a longer shackle for a little more lift depending on what was done to it before.
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Unread 08-10-2011, 12:25 AM   #3
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If your fenders aren't trimmed the stock height is 17" in the rear and 17.5" up front. ... The factory isolators are cheap and each one will give about 5/8" of lift. Spacers are good to around 2" of lift and after that you need longer coils. You can add-a-leaf in the rear from another set of leafs.
Thanks!
Yeah found a more level spot, measured 20" front, 19" rear, on the driver side, it seems to list to the driver side a bit.

So I think I need 1 isolator front ans a leaf or something in the rear..
At least I know where to start now.
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Unread 10-14-2011, 07:08 PM   #4
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This is the Rt (passenger) side knuckle and tracbar mount.

The part with the Green X - Does this come from any particular lift kit ??
It seems to be a little loose, Dude at Les Schwab says to just weld it, but ... the trackbar already pushes the tires too far to the right (pass), so I'm thinking about removing it.

Advise?
Bolt size for the stock tracbar mount hole (or does it need some kind of sleeve)?
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Unread 10-14-2011, 07:39 PM   #5
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The green x is a track bar drop bracket and it should be removed and thrown away. They cause excessive stress on the axle bracket and can cause breakage. If needed, a longer adjustable track bar is a better solution.

Your sway bar links are too short. See how they are rubbing on the coil springs. The ends of the sway bar should be pointed up at about a 10-15* angle. Look at a stock XJ and compare the sway bar location/orientation/angle.
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Unread 10-14-2011, 09:39 PM   #6
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The green x is a track bar drop bracket and it should be removed and thrown away. They cause excessive stress on the axle bracket and can cause breakage. If needed, a longer adjustable track bar is a better solution.

Your sway bar links are too short. See how they are rubbing on the coil springs. The ends of the sway bar should be pointed up at about a 10-15* angle. Look at a stock XJ and compare the sway bar location/orientation/angle.
Ok good to know- thanks, ..and yeah I been planning to lengthen the stabilizer links, I know they're prob 2+" too short.

I didn't even know that track bar drop bracket was there until the alignment guy said it was loose, then i went to junkyard and compared them with mine...
grrr!
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Unread 10-15-2011, 02:50 AM   #7
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Do you know what size bolt or if I need a sleeve on the bolt for the track bar to axle mount?

I've heard conflicting reports about it (13mm or 9/16??) Green -and that it may not fit snug in the hole..
- Maybe I can weld a fender washer on it?
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Unread 10-15-2011, 09:25 AM   #8
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The bolt is a Hex Head, M10x1.5x70. This bolt uses a flag nut, a nut with a tab welded to to that fits into the bracket. You should use a Grade 8 washer. The track bar bushing has a sleeve in it.

If the axle end bolt hole is worn and oval shaped you should make and weld on a repair plate with a snug fitting bolt hole.
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Unread 10-15-2011, 11:03 AM   #9
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Great, thanks for the info and pic, Tim!
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Unread 10-16-2011, 02:07 AM   #10
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How do I get the Pittman arm off??
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What are you trying to remove ?


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What are you trying to remove ?

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Great image Tim. That needs to go in an XJ-newbie stickie.
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Unread 10-16-2011, 11:14 PM   #13
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What are you trying to remove ?

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- The Pitman Arm. (and the tie rod attached to it) I couldn't get it off yesterday at junkyard.
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Unread 10-17-2011, 02:40 PM   #14
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you need a puller for the pitman arm
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Unread 10-24-2011, 10:30 AM   #15
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ZJ steering rods

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you need a puller for the pitman arm
Ok I went to harbor-freight and bought a wheel puller, took it back to the junkyard.... I could not get the Pitman arm off!

I ended up taking the whole steering gearbox off and trying the puller that way (on the ground), all it did was scrape grooves in it.

so I just knocked the tie rod out with a hammer, and left the rest.
I still want the ZJ pitman arm. Maybe another junkyard will pull it for me?
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