Toyota axle in an xj?

jeepkid8037 · 06-16-2005, 01:29 AM

I guess they are 30 spline, 8" ring gear, and my friend ran 36" swampers with no problems. He wants to sell one stuffed w/ 4.88's and a detroit for $500. Are these toyota rear axles really that strong? Anyone know the wms-wms? Bolt pattern? Another plus, IMO, is the third member.... I have never seen this done before, is there somethign wrong with it...?

I did do a search, but this is all i found so far....

http://jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100865&highlight=toyota+axle

**balloo93** · 06-16-2005, 01:42 AM

This was a hot topic on NAXJA.org and the general consensus was it's a good swap. I think it's the SR5 that has the same bolt pattern as well as a VERY close WMS size. Only a tad bit more difficult to adapt the DS, but not enough to make it a bad swap.

Yeah, the axles are pretty damn stout.

cj7xjmj · 06-16-2005, 07:45 AM

When they are properly trussed they are just about as stout as you can get from a factory axle. Also parts are relatively cheap, so before they catch on buy it. Think about this, You cant regear, and lock any axle for 500, so that would make it worth it to me.

Patrick

cherokee xj · 06-16-2005, 09:31 AM

a ton of people around here with tacoma SR5's are running 35's and up with no problems. I'd say do it! and if you don't want to deal with all that fabbing, give it to me

98XJ-ID · 06-16-2005, 02:25 PM

the toyota axles are stout stout little things. i would go for it because like said before you couldnt do that to your axle and hold up big tires for $500

hacked96 · 06-16-2005, 08:41 PM

On several wheeling trips with yotas and Jeeps my XJ has had to represent for Jeep after the so called "real Jeeps " choked . There's no way I'd give them the satisfaction of seeing a yota axle under my Jeep. There's to many other good options available.

cj7xjmj · 06-16-2005, 10:33 PM

As for "real jeeps" choking, whats that mean? Personally I run a ford 8.8 now, and a severely modded d30 upfront, but if I could find an axle that was a easy swap in for the front that didnt require a huge chunk of money, or lots of fab work to make it work, I would have done that instead of building my D30.

It all goes back to one of the lines in my sig, real jeeps are Built .. not Bought, and Its not what you break it is how fast you fix it.

Patrick

**balloo93** · 06-16-2005, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cj7xjmj

As for "real jeeps" choking, whats that mean? Personally I run a ford 8.8 now, and a severely modded d30 upfront, but if I could find an axle that was a easy swap in for the front that didnt require a huge chunk of money, or lots of fab work to make it work, I would have done that instead of building my D30.

It all goes back to one of the lines in my sig, real jeeps are Built .. not Bought, and Its not what you break it is how fast you fix it.

Patrick

I think he meant the CJ, YJ, TJ guys always referring to themselves as real jeeps.

wipedawg · 06-16-2005, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by balloo93

I think he meant the CJ, YJ, TJ guys always referring to themselves as real jeeps.

may they all burn in hell

jeepkid8037 · 06-16-2005, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 98XJ-ID

the toyota axles are stout stout little things. i would go for it because like said before you couldnt do that to your axle and hold up big tires for $500

I do have an 8.8 now w/ an aussie locker. The c-clips just really scare me. If i ever broke an axle, i would have to dismantle the entier rear locker just to pull it out. Not something that i want to be doing for a couple hours on the trail...Is there any way to elminate the c-clips with some other method of holding the axle in?

**balloo93** · 06-16-2005, 11:39 PM

Yep, C-clip elemenators. Couple of different manufacturers make them for the 8.8. Check summitracing.com for some.

hacked96 · 06-17-2005, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by wipedawg

may they all burn in hell

ha ha , lol

cj7xjmj · 06-17-2005, 08:45 AM

OH those real Jeep owners. I just dare them, to follow me and take the lines I take

LWB vehicles rock on off camber and long climbs

I have it wosre then you XJ owners, I am a MJ, I have been accused of being a foreingn truck

Aas far as c=clips go, and having to dismantle a locker on the trail. I have personal experience with both c-clip and non-clip axles. If you break a c-clip axle, all you have to do is just swap axles (carry spares), as for non c-clips, it is pretty much the same thng, but you have to make sure your spare have good bearings on them, and that they are relatively dirt free. You also have to remove 4 PITA nuts and bolts, that are hard to get to. Luckily, If you have a 96 or newer 8.8 the axle will stay in place cause of the disc brakes.

Also under modraste wheeling you probrably never will break an 8.8. Warn did some testing on the axle shafts, and they could not break them with that machine. So they went to the next one, and they estimate the strength to be within 500 ftlbs of the D60 axle shafts. Irregardless of that, it is far stronger then a D44, and I wont even discuss the d35.

Patrick

jeepkid8037 · 06-17-2005, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cj7xjmj

Aas far as c=clips go, and having to dismantle a locker on the trail. I have personal experience with both c-clip and non-clip axles. If you break a c-clip axle, all you have to do is just swap axles (carry spares), as for non c-clips, it is pretty much the same thng, but you have to make sure your spare have good bearings on them, and that they are relatively dirt free. You also have to remove 4 PITA nuts and bolts, that are hard to get to. Luckily, If you have a 96 or newer 8.8 the axle will stay in place cause of the disc brakes.

So....It would be easier to remove 10 bolts from the diff.....remove all of the springs from the locker remove the locker remove the c-clips...then have to put the locker back together, then reinstall the c-clip which is a PITA. Then reseal the locker w/ some rtv and put the 10 bolts back on then too....

Remove 4 bolts....slide the shaft out.....then slide a new shaft back in, then tighten up the 4 bolts?

Unless i am missing something it seems a LOT easier to replace a broken axle on a non-clip axle.

AMK · 06-17-2005, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jeepkid8037

So....It would be easier to remove 10 bolts from the diff.....remove all of the springs from the locker remove the locker remove the c-clips...then have to put the locker back together, then reinstall the c-clip which is a PITA. Then reseal the locker w/ some rtv and put the 10 bolts back on then too....

Remove 4 bolts....slide the shaft out.....then slide a new shaft back in, then tighten up the 4 bolts?

Unless i am missing something it seems a LOT easier to replace a broken axle on a non-clip axle.

That's assuming you can get the entire broken shaft out without opening the pumpkin.

06-16-2005, 07:45 AM	#3
cj7xjmj Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: God's Country VA Posts: 1,566 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	When they are properly trussed they are just about as stout as you can get from a factory axle. Also parts are relatively cheap, so before they catch on buy it. Think about this, You cant regear, and lock any axle for 500, so that would make it worth it to me. Patrick __________________ 90 Comanche thing. Exo-cage, tube bed, with a few other things done Here is a link to some pics of it [url]http://independent4x.com/generic67.html[/url] [url]http://community.webshots.com/user/cj7xjmj[/url] If you have to ask why... Its a truggy thing and you wouldn't understand

06-16-2005, 02:25 PM	#5
98XJ-ID Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kimberly, Idaho Posts: 226 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	the toyota axles are stout stout little things. i would go for it because like said before you couldnt do that to your axle and hold up big tires for $500 __________________ 1990 Jeep Comanche Pioneer 4x4 4.0L - D30/D35 - 5-Speed - NP231- 130K 1998 Jeep Cherokee Classic 4x4 4.0L - D30/Corp 8.25 LSD - NV242 From a 2002 Grand Cherokee - 4" Suspension/31's - 136K

06-16-2005, 10:33 PM	#7
cj7xjmj Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: God's Country VA Posts: 1,566 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	As for "real jeeps" choking, whats that mean? Personally I run a ford 8.8 now, and a severely modded d30 upfront, but if I could find an axle that was a easy swap in for the front that didnt require a huge chunk of money, or lots of fab work to make it work, I would have done that instead of building my D30. It all goes back to one of the lines in my sig, real jeeps are Built .. not Bought, and Its not what you break it is how fast you fix it. Patrick __________________ 90 Comanche thing. Exo-cage, tube bed, with a few other things done Here is a link to some pics of it [url]http://independent4x.com/generic67.html[/url] [url]http://community.webshots.com/user/cj7xjmj[/url] If you have to ask why... Its a truggy thing and you wouldn't understand

06-17-2005, 08:45 AM	#13
cj7xjmj Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: God's Country VA Posts: 1,566 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	OH those real Jeep owners. I just dare them, to follow me and take the lines I take LWB vehicles rock on off camber and long climbs I have it wosre then you XJ owners, I am a MJ, I have been accused of being a foreingn truck Aas far as c=clips go, and having to dismantle a locker on the trail. I have personal experience with both c-clip and non-clip axles. If you break a c-clip axle, all you have to do is just swap axles (carry spares), as for non c-clips, it is pretty much the same thng, but you have to make sure your spare have good bearings on them, and that they are relatively dirt free. You also have to remove 4 PITA nuts and bolts, that are hard to get to. Luckily, If you have a 96 or newer 8.8 the axle will stay in place cause of the disc brakes. Also under modraste wheeling you probrably never will break an 8.8. Warn did some testing on the axle shafts, and they could not break them with that machine. So they went to the next one, and they estimate the strength to be within 500 ftlbs of the D60 axle shafts. Irregardless of that, it is far stronger then a D44, and I wont even discuss the d35. Patrick __________________ 90 Comanche thing. Exo-cage, tube bed, with a few other things done Here is a link to some pics of it [url]http://independent4x.com/generic67.html[/url] [url]http://community.webshots.com/user/cj7xjmj[/url] If you have to ask why... Its a truggy thing and you wouldn't understand

06-16-2005, 08:41 PM	#6
hacked96 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 197 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	On several wheeling trips with yotas and Jeeps my XJ has had to represent for Jeep after the so called "real Jeeps " choked . There's no way I'd give them the satisfaction of seeing a yota axle under my Jeep. There's to many other good options available.