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post #1 of 14 Old 06-18-2013, 10:18 AM Thread Starter
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So I feel like I should know te answer to this but....

So I swapped in some new leaf springs this weekend and now everything sits perfect and rides well, but I got this going on....





I've never had this issue before, but other than wearing out the springs faster, is there any dangerous downsides? I don't mind running them like this 6-8 months until they wear out completely and get a set of OME's or something of good quality.

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post #2 of 14 Old 06-18-2013, 01:38 PM
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sits perfect ? and rides well ?

...until they wear out completely...
If they don't just snap altogether...that's some pretty extreme "bent".

I'd say the problem is those shackles. Just my own opinion but yikes!!

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post #3 of 14 Old 06-18-2013, 03:34 PM
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I thought that was the shackle angle everyone wanted?

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post #4 of 14 Old 06-18-2013, 03:47 PM
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I would want the shackles mounted one hole to the rear. From my understanding you want the shackle angle around 45 degrees, yours appears to be closer to 30 degrees. The leafs look dangerous to me. I would either get some new ones, or put a leaf in there below the main leaf that is long enough to go eye to eye.

Edit: Looking at the pictures again just the passenger side seems to be at a less than desirable angle.

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I would want the shackles mounted one hole to the rear. From my understanding you want the shackle angle around 45 degrees, yours appears to be closer to 30 degrees. The leafs look dangerous to me. I would either get some new ones, or put a leaf in there below the main leaf that is long enough to go eye to eye.

Edit: Looking at the pictures again just the passenger side seems to be at a less than desirable angle.
It's just the angle at which the Jeep was sitting at the time. My main focus is the leaves.
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post #6 of 14 Old 06-18-2013, 07:19 PM
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Well, if your main focus is the leaves...then think of it this way...you have one single inverted leaf on each side supporting the whole Jeep. *snap*, you're stranded. The wonky shackles are putting too much stress on the leaf.

Again, just my opinion.

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Well, if your main focus is the leaves...then think of it this way...you have one single inverted leaf on each side supporting the whole Jeep. *snap*, you're stranded. The wonky shackles are putting too much stress on the leaf.

Again, just my opinion.
Wonky shackles? They are 1.5" shackles? What's wrong with that? It's allowing a good shackle angle. As for the springs, the leaf isn't necessarily inverted, it's just starting a bend. I've seen many leafs do this, I just wanted more clarification on how terrible it is to keep running it like this. If any main leaf snaps, you're kind if SOL, so that's kind of pointing out the obvious.
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Sounds like you already know the answer to your question.

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Exactly HOW are those shackle brackets mounted to the Jeep?!?
Looks like they're only supported on one side?
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post #10 of 14 Old 06-19-2013, 07:41 AM Thread Starter
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Exactly HOW are those shackle brackets mounted to the Jeep?!?
Looks like they're only supported on one side?
They mount into all of the hitch bolts and the shackle bolt. I can assure you they aren't going anywhere. They are HD Engineering brackets.
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This is what a 3.5 spring pack looks like on my XJ, with MJ shackles. Note the arch...and added strength



This is what a stock spring pack looks like with extended shackles. Note the lack of any arch and the flat spring. This spring is under added stress and has less ability to flex, or support any additional weight. Really, just an illustration of how hard extended shackles are on an XJ's stock spring pack. Before I installed these shackles the spring had a slight upward arch. This is with stock springs on a 1990 XJ with 220K on the springs.



I'm not trying to dis your Jeep, but you did ask for input, so here's mine.

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post #12 of 14 Old 06-19-2013, 10:03 AM Thread Starter
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This is what a 3.5 spring pack looks like on my XJ, with MJ shackles. Note the arch...and added strength



This is what a stock spring pack looks like with extended shackles. Note the lack of any arch and the flat spring. This spring is under added stress and has less ability to flex, or support any additional weight. Really, just an illustration of how hard extended shackles are on an XJ's stock spring pack. Before I installed these shackles the spring had a slight upward arch. This is with stock springs on a 1990 XJ with 220K on the springs.



I'm not trying to dis your Jeep, but you did ask for input, so here's mine.
Thanks. I'm not offended. I just thought maybe I could get some life out of these for a while. Guess I'll just order some OME's.
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Making a full-length AAL from another main spring would let you keep what you have.

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post #14 of 14 Old 06-19-2013, 11:16 AM Thread Starter
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Making a full-length AAL from another main spring would let you keep what you have.
I have one out of my other pack, but that was the pack that sat tweaked, and not level. I would hope the AAL in that pack isn't the tweaked part.
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