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Unread 01-13-2009, 07:55 PM   #1
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P1389 and Jeep wont start

Hi,

My 2001 Cherokee wont start, it rotates but it wont start. Any Ideas?

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Unread 01-13-2009, 08:00 PM   #2
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P1389 No ASD Relay Output Voltage At PCM No Z1 or Z2 voltage sensed when the auto shutdown relay is energized.
P1389 (M) No ASD Relay Output Voltage At PCM An open condition detected in the ASD relay output circuit.

Not sure what it means but someone should elaborate. I have a sneaking suspicion that its the CPS
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Check engine light codes are researchable on GOOGLE.

P1389 (M) No ASD Relay Output Voltage At PCM. An open condition detected in the ASD relay output circuit.

Check your ASD relay in the PDC under the hood by the battery. Exchange a similar relay with the ASD relay and see if it starts.
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Done, replaced ASD relay with a new one... Still dead.
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Done, replaced ASD relay with a new one... Still dead.
Possible failed crank position sensor. Test it before you buy a new one.




The most likely cause of it cranks and cranks but won't start up is the Crank Position Sensor (CPS). CPS failure is very common. The CPS can stop working with no warning or symptoms and the engine will not run or the engine may randomly stall for no apparent reason.

Symptoms -
-it cranks and cranks but won't start up
-Fuel gauge and voltage gauges may not work or display properly.
-You sometimes will have No Bus on the odometer after 30-60 seconds.
-NO spark at the spark plugs.
-Fuel pressure is OK at the fuel rail.

If the CPS is failed sometimes the OBDII code reader cannot make a connection to the computer or cannot read Check Engine Light/MIL codes because the CPS has failed.

Crank sensors can have intermittent “thermal failure”. This means that the sensor fails when engine gets hot, but works again when it cools back down.

Diagnostic steps to confirm the CPS is the cause of your no-start

You might be able to verify a bad cps, by unplugging it, and turning the ignition key to on. If the voltage gauge and/or the fuel gauge now displays correctly, replace the CPS.

Exchange the fuel pump relay and the ASD relay with one of the other similar ones in the PDC to eliminate the relays as the cause of the no-start.

Eliminate the NSS as a cause of no start. Wiggle the shift lever at the same time you try to start. Put the transmission in Neutral and do the same. Do the reverse lights come on when the shifter is in Reverse?

Begin with basic trouble shooting of the start and charge systems. Remove, clean, and firmly reconnect all the wires and cables to the battery, starter, and alternator. Look for corroded or damaged cables and replace as needed. Do the same for the grounding wires from the battery and engine to the Cherokee's frame/body.

CPS Testing


Crankshaft Position Sensor Connector





TESTING PROCEDURE 1991 – 2001 4.0L H.O. engines

1. Near the rear of intake manifold, disconnect sensor pigtail harness connector from main wiring harness.
2. Place an ohmmeter across terminals B and C (SEE Image). Ohmmeter should be set to 1K-to-1OK scale for this test.
3. The meter reading should be open (infinite resistance). Replace sensor if a low resistance is indicated.

TESTING PROCECURE for 1987 – 1990 4.0 L engines

Test # 1

Get a volt/ohm meter and set it to read 0 - 500 ohms. Unplug the CPS and measure across the CPS connector's A & B leads. Your meter should show a CPS resistance of between 125 - 275 ohms. If the CPS is out of that range by much, replace it.


Test # 2

You'll need a helper for this one. Set the volt/ohm meter to read 0 - 5 AC volts or the closest AC Volts scale your meter has to this range. Measure across the CPS leads for voltage generated as your helper cranks the engine. (The engine can't fire up without the CPS connected but watch for moving parts just the same!) The meter should show .5 - .8 VAC when cranking. (That's between 1/2 and 1 volt AC.) If it's below .5vac, replace it.
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Unread 01-14-2009, 05:07 AM   #6
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Check the fuses in the PDC also. Doesn't matter if the relay is good, you still won't get any voltage to your coils if there's no juice to the ASD relay.

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Things just got weird... Somebody told me that i should try moving the shifter up and down trough the shifts a few times and the pumping the brakes while cranking. I did, and after 2 weeks without starting it did!!!!

Does this make sense? Could the neutral switch trigger the P1389 ASD Relay Voltage? The JEep start every time by doing this but I still get the same Code and my voltage sometimes drops to about 11.5?

What do you guys think?
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