my xj build

kjf45 · 01-24-2008, 05:24 PM

1990
4 door
5 sp
sitting on 30x9.5
180xxx miles
still running strong
$400
herculined interior $100
RE 2" BB $260.25
detoursusa.com front backbone $150
disco. RE #1140 $85

those are my parts i have as of right now the lift is in the process of being put on the cold sucks and only getting a good 1-1 1/2" hours a day to work on it doesnt help progression much. i want to eventually herculine the bottom half and roof and paint the rest the military style green (dont remember exact name).
future mods
surco roof rack $206
31x10.5 with cragars $ ?
trimming fenders
superwinch $ ?
offroad lights $ ?
jcr offroad rock sliders $ ~250
flowmaster exhaust from rustys $ 180
detoursusa.com rear slim line bumper with tire carrier $ ~800
theres probably a few things i forgot in there. any comments more than welcome. here are a few pics i took before i started tearing the rear apart

sorry for the crappy pics. they are really dark and the paint is faded more than you can tell

RhinoJP · 01-24-2008, 06:13 PM

looks nice. The military paint you are referring to is probably O.D. Green (Olive Drab)

98_classic · 01-24-2008, 06:53 PM

from what I can see, I wouldnt rattle that car od green, just linex the bottom and wetsand and buff the top. that paint looks good and what is dull could probably be saved and look way better than the rattle can paint job.

Also dont get the budget boost unless it has an aal because a shackle will wear a stock leaf pack quickly. But if I were you I would save for some form of a full 3.5" lift kit or bastard lift. then trim and run 33's. would look wicked then.

just my $.02

edit just saw you already have the lift...

kjf45 · 01-24-2008, 07:25 PM

yea i got the re bb with the long all. i figured i can get it and use most of the parts from it when i finally get enough money to go bigger. i probably wont go bigger for a while but when i do i want to have everything together and not have to piece it and wait on things because of money. the paint was an idea im open to all opinions. the pain now is really faded your right with a little work i might be able to get it looking better. other than that the body is pretty damn good for being as old as it is except for where the po decided to jab a screw driver in the pas. rear quarter panel so he could mount his antenna for the cb.

lifted92xj · 01-24-2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 98_classic

Also dont get the budget boost unless it has an aal because a shackle will wear a stock leaf pack quickly

an aal will sag back down..

a shackle wont cause it so sag or get worse any faster than stock. remember you already have a shackle stock, your just making it longer

98_classic · 01-24-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lifted92xj

an aal will sag back down..

a shackle wont cause it so sag or get worse any faster than stock. remember you already have a shackle stock, your just making it longer

I see what your saying but for the amount of lift he went with an aal would not have sagged back down. an extended shackle will more than likely kill his leaf springs with the extra stress. most people have problems with sag when they try to use aal's to get more than 3" of lift with just one newj leaf. also this is why if you use a shackle on a pack with an aal, it wears out more quickly than if you use a shackle on top of a true full pack spring

lifted92xj · 01-24-2008, 08:13 PM

you have a shackle anyways..why would a different one make a difference.

and the amount of lift you have doesnt effect the aal its the weight of the vehicle and the point that that is the only spring giving it lift instead of the whole pack. how would 3" of lift sag slower than 4?

98_classic · 01-24-2008, 08:55 PM

An aal that is trying to hold the car at 6" of lift has a smaller radius than an aal holding a car at 3" of lift. the one holding at 6" is doing alot more work than the aal at 3" if the leafs are made from the same metal, and I assume they are wouldn't that cause that spring doing more work to sag more quickly? for example a 6" aal will sag 1" quicker than the 3" aal will sag 1". I would think that would mean the higher you use an aal to lift your car the quicker it will wear out.

and as far as the shackle length not affecting it, well this I'm not entirely certain on but would think it has to do with the angle the shackle sits at, combined with the weight of the vehicle. By adding shackle length you probably affect the angle and to much of a difference from factory will cause premature wear. also this is why you dont see shackles longer than 2 inches for sale.

but like I said earlier just my $0.02

lifted92xj · 01-24-2008, 09:14 PM

theres no aal that lifts it 6" so your whole theory is useless.

i my shackle is the same angle as the stock one. and they sell shackles much longer than 2 inches

98_classic · 01-25-2008, 01:46 AM

agreed, but there def are 4.5" aal's. I simply used 6 as a contrast to 3. And the same could be said of the 4.5 to what I used 6" as a comparison.

also your shackle angle may have stayed the same,(but you also have new longer leafsprings which would mean you will retain factory shackle angle. assuming you did get new springs with your "big lift") but your honestly going to say that by adding shackle length there is no negative side affects to spring life? if that was correct. why even bother with new leaf springs? couldnt we all just use new super long shackles? since they are just replacement to the stock parts afterall.

captain_ruggy · 01-25-2008, 07:34 PM

My first lift was a BB with a coil spacer and a shackle. And after about a year, the rear springs had actually inverted. Before the shackle they were good springs. I have read before that a longer shackle will prematurely cause your leaf packs to wear.

kjf45 · 01-25-2008, 07:37 PM

i will eventually upgrade to something bigger when money allows this is just for now. it might get me by for a year or so. thats all im looking for

lifted92xj · 01-25-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 98_classic

agreed, but there def are 4.5" aal's. I simply used 6 as a contrast to 3. And the same could be said of the 4.5 to what I used 6" as a comparison.

also your shackle angle may have stayed the same,(but you also have new longer leafsprings which would mean you will retain factory shackle angle. assuming you did get new springs with your "big lift") but your honestly going to say that by adding shackle length there is no negative side affects to spring life? if that was correct. why even bother with new leaf springs? couldnt we all just use new super long shackles? since they are just replacement to the stock parts afterall.

yes i have new springs with my "big lift" because i want it to ride nice, and i know i wont lose lift height because the whole leaf pack is new and working togeather rather than 1 new leaf.

shackles dont do anything for flex or ride quality, thats why we dont use super long shackles.

captain_ruggy · 01-25-2008, 08:47 PM

Actually a longer shackle will allow the springs to move more, allowing more flex. But I think my Jeep rode better with the stock shackle then the lift ones on there now. But I also think that is due to the angle of the shackle more then anything else.

98_classic · 01-26-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by captain_ruggy

Actually a longer shackle will allow the springs to move more, allowing more flex. But I think my Jeep rode better with the stock shackle then the lift ones on there now. But I also think that is due to the angle of the shackle more then anything else.

Couldn't have said it any better.