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Unread 10-15-2003, 01:57 PM   #1
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Long winded Lift Discussion

I am new to the whole 4x4 scene and want to form a game plan for modifying my recently acquired 98 Cherokee. For various reasons I do not want to significantly raise my jeep yet. I pull a fairly heavy boat and I am afraid too much lift would be dangerous. It seems that to go with tires larger than 31 inches you have to lift 5-6 inches which requires a SYE, custom drive shafts, control arms and gear changes. It also seems that most people want to run 31’s with 3-4 inches of lift because they are trying to avoid all of the above changes. The problem is that from the looks of a lot of the posts, people end up with vibration problems anyway and have to do everything they were trying to avoid (SYE, etc…).

From what I have read, you can run a 30 inch tire with a 2 inch lift and avoid all of the drive train problems and even get away using the stock 3.55 gears. You can also install a locker like the Lock Rite or the No-Slip without much cost if you don’t need to change gears. I can get a 2” BB and front and rear No Slips for about $1000 without tires. With this set up I can run a good 30x9.5, 29x10.50, or 29x11.50 like a Super Swamper. If I go to a 31 I have to go up 3-4 inches, which will probably cause drive train problems on my 98, especially when pulling the boat. I will be at the absolute limit gearwise (31’s with 3.55’s). To do 31’s right, it looks like I will spend over $2000 without tires for 4” lift, SYE, drive shaft, shocks, 4.10s plus labor, and a rear locker. A 31 inch tire will give ½ inch extra clearance over the 30 and 1 inch extra clearance over the 29 at the bottom of the diff. Are the benefits of running the 31’s that much greater than a 30 or 29. It looks like 31” tires are a break over point. Running shorter cheap. Taller expensive. 3-4 inches of lift. Less, cheap. Taller, expensive. I have 235 75 BFG AT’s on stock wheels right now which are fine for the road and to learn on for a while. I was shocked at what the jeep can do right now even with the open diffs.

I am thinking about upgrading in the following order.

1. 2” budget boost (spacers and either add-a-leafs
or shackles) and sway bar discos

2. No slip locker rear or front and rear (depending
on how aggravated I am at my wife when I place
the order)

3. set of 15x8 inch wheels and 29x11.50 or
30x9.50 Super Swampers

4. have fun and learn

5. save money

6. save money

7. 6” plus lift, SYE, drive shafts, shocks, 4.56’s,
selectable lockers, 33-35’s, bumpers, and winch…
“the works.”

Does this progression seem logical or am I off base. What is the consensus on the 2” lift? Shackles, add-a-leafs, or blocks? Has anyone out there tried the No Slip locker. Also as for as tires go, how much does width matter. I live in a muddy area, Louisiana. Should I go with short and wide or tall and narrow… tall and wide will lead to clearance problems with the low lift.

Thanks for any advice.
Neil

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Unread 10-15-2003, 02:31 PM   #2
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Neil.

I ran a 3" composite BB on mine with 31s. It was cheap and worked well and I got no vibes.

If you get a 3" Kit for 31s and have either a longer shackle or shims for the rear axle you can avoid vibes. You can alslo throw on a .5-1" TC drop ....

A 31 is only 1/2" taller (well depending on actual measurements)
but remember it increases your contact patch as well.

You really only need to get a 8" wide wheel if you go to a 11.5" wide tire. My stock 15x7s were fine with my 31x10.5s.....

If you're looking to go cheap on your "starter" I can give you details as to how I did all my stuff .... most of it is in the sticky lift thread...

Where are you in LA? Our club is having a get together in Kenner on Saturday if you're interested. The club is totally free too
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Unread 10-15-2003, 02:31 PM   #3
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ddont quote me on this one but i belive 235's are like 28 inch tires so to get 29 or 30 inch tires would kind of be pointless (500 dollars for an inch or so) now the reason i would assume for u getting a locker is so that you can get through mud right? a good set of mud tires would do you wonders. a locker will get you in trouble. what i mean by this is, a locker will get you out of alot of stuff, but if you didnt have the locker you probably wouldnt try to go through all mud. take from my 150 dollar mistake mud is evil. i had to replace MAP and TPS sensors along with an alternator becuase i went in deep mud. i have takin my truck many of mud holes with out a locker and been fine, jeep makes a kick@ss 4 wheel drive system. the wider the tire you get from stock you are going to have to worry about tires rubbing and all that bullcrap make sure you get the appropriate backspacing. width is a opinionaited question, if you air down it probably wont matter much.

now that i really have no clue what i said hahah i hope that helps you some
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ddont quote me on this one but i belive 235's are like 28 inch tires so to get 29 or 30 inch tires would kind of be pointless (500 dollars for an inch or so) now the reason i would assume for u getting a locker is so that you can get through mud right? a good set of mud tires would do you wonders. a locker will get you in trouble. what i mean by this is, a locker will get you out of alot of stuff, but if you didnt have the locker you probably wouldnt try to go through all mud. take from my 150 dollar mistake mud is evil. i had to replace MAP and TPS sensors along with an alternator becuase i went in deep mud. i have takin my truck many of mud holes with out a locker and been fine, jeep makes a kick@ss 4 wheel drive system. the wider the tire you get from stock you are going to have to worry about tires rubbing and all that bullcrap make sure you get the appropriate backspacing. width is a opinionaited question, if you air down it probably wont matter much.

now that i really have no clue what i said hahah i hope that helps you some
p235/75r15 is approx 28.8" SO to go to a 29 would be pointless. But the size on the sidewall is usually not the true size.

Check manufacturer sites before you buy to see what size the tire really is.

As for getting in trouble... yeah mud can get you in trouble. But if you're going to try to go through it anyway you may as well give yourself the best setup. Not getting a locker so that you won't get stuck isn't really logical IMO. If you're worried about how deep stuff is, check it before you go through it & wheel with a group so that when you do get stuck (and you will eventually) you aren't stranded....
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Unread 10-15-2003, 03:01 PM   #5
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My strategy with the smaller mud tire is for several reasons... my 235/75R15's are about 29" tall and are great for the street even light off road but once I start hitting some trails especially in the spring with all the rain down here I don't think they will be worth a darn in the mud. 29' mud tires like swampers will do alot better and will give me the same gear ratio for the highway and allow me to use the same spare as with my street tires. I do not want to drive around all the time on swampers though. I can switch to my BFG AT's when I am not wheeling. As for as the 8" wide wheels, I am mainly thinking about something I can use with a 29x11.50s now and a 33x12.50s in the future. Black steel 15x8s seem pretty cheap bought I could always keep my eyes open for some stock 15x7's. It might be better to with a taller tire but I have heard that 31s and 3.55s are not a good combo on the highway because the transmission will constantly be shifting from 3rd to OD.
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I would strongly recommend getting some helper springs or load leveler leafs if you plan on towing a boat with the XJ. These will help prevent the leafs from sagging and firm up the road feel slightly. JCWhitney has some, I know that hellwig makes a really nice setup, but it's a bit pricey.
http://rough.roughcountry.com/helper_springs.htm
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I would strongly recommend getting some helper springs or load leveler leafs if you plan on towing a boat with the XJ. These will help prevent the leafs from sagging and firm up the road feel slightly. JCWhitney has some, I know that hellwig makes a really nice setup, but it's a bit pricey.
http://rough.roughcountry.com/helper_springs.htm

I see that they have a kit for the Commanche but not for the XJ. Will the MJ springs work? It looks like a full length add a leaf might accomplish the same thing though.
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