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Unread 04-02-2010, 09:48 PM   #31
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An update: I finally installed them. However, I didn't touch the welds.

I had my friend's dad take a look at the mounts. He said that even though they look pretty ****ty, the welds themselves aren't that bad, and that they are structurally sound. Seeing as he's a millwright, I took his word for it.
Not harping on your friends dad but, I ran these pics by my father in law (20 year pipe fitter/welder) my buddy that helps me with some jobs (15 year structural steel welder) and a few friends on welding web whom have 30-40 years between them.

They all said those welds are poop. Only a few of them actually have the penetration for structural support. The others are thin and high on top of the plates.

While they may hold, I would never use em honestly. I wouldn't want to chance it.

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Unread 04-03-2010, 02:00 PM   #32
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im a welder and if my welds looked like that i would not have a job long. those look really poor i dont know how somebody could sell those to anybody else looking like that. my .02
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Unread 04-29-2010, 05:15 PM   #33
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According to HiCountry, the welder was a new employee (and since terminated). They offered to send me pics of the brackets before shipping so I could approve them.
Here are the results.




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Unread 04-30-2010, 10:33 AM   #34
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Well those look pretty damn good.

An update: I used mine a few weeks ago, and they worked like they were supposed to.
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Unread 04-30-2010, 11:54 AM   #35
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According to HiCountry, the welder was a new employee (and since terminated). They offered to send me pics of the brackets before shipping so I could approve them.
Here are the results.
Still wonder how much more it would cost them to do a weld across the entire joint instead of the little 1-1.5" spots...
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Unread 04-30-2010, 01:18 PM   #36
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Still wonder how much more it would cost them to do a weld across the entire joint instead of the little 1-1.5" spots...
< $1.00


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Unread 04-30-2010, 01:21 PM   #37
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personally, would take them in somewhere and have a full bead put on. if you cant weld yourself
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Unread 05-03-2010, 08:56 AM   #38
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I got a set of these in a box in my garage. I'll have to see how the welds look on mine. I bought them 2nd hand, NIB, so I couldn't send them back if the welds were crap. If they look that bad, I have a small snap-on MIG that would do the job to help strengthen them, also have a friend with a BIG MIG that WOULD work. I have a used pair of Rusty'd but have heard they aren't great, plus I like the D-ring idea over hooks so I picked up the Hi-country ones.
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Unread 05-03-2010, 09:18 AM   #39
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Those are practically tack welds.
That's the first thing that I thought. It looks like someone started the job and then never finished it.

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According to HiCountry, the welder was a new employee (and since terminated). They offered to send me pics of the brackets before shipping so I could approve them.
Here are the results.
Those look better, but as others have said, I can't imagine any reason why they didn't just run a full bead down the joints instead of a bunch of little spot welds. It doesn't seem like they take a whole lot of pride in their product.
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Unread 05-03-2010, 03:25 PM   #40
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So I'll explain this because alot of guys don't understand. The welder/fitter reads the blueprint, he doesn't make the blueprint. What you are seeing is a very standard weld that is actually common. Yes they could have carried the weld all the way across, but then the welder wouldn't work there very long. Because QC would be throwing out alot of warped and weakened steel. Or he would be fired for taking 3 times as long to complete a piece, because of waiting for it to cool. Or he would be fired for deviating from the blueprint.

I can't remember the name of the weld, it's been a while since I was in school, but that weld is correct. 2 inch welds, spaced 2 inches apart, are hardly spot welds.
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So I'll explain this because alot of guys don't understand. The welder/fitter reads the blueprint, he doesn't make the blueprint. What you are seeing is a very standard weld that is actually common. Yes they could have carried the weld all the way across, but then the welder wouldn't work there very long. Because QC would be throwing out alot of warped and weakened steel. Or he would be fired for taking 3 times as long to complete a piece, because of waiting for it to cool. Or he would be fired for deviating from the blueprint.

I can't remember the name of the weld, it's been a while since I was in school, but that weld is correct. 2 inch welds, spaced 2 inches apart, are hardly spot welds.
Are you thinking of stitch welds?

I dont think everyone is hating on the specific welder for the stitch welds, but the fact that the company is OK with just that. Personally if I was told to make those I would tell the company you need to either have them fully welded, or I would quit. I would not be apart of it. Sure there is a little more work in it, but why not take the extra work to make a superior quality product without any more design work?

As far as I am concerned if you can do better - do better. There is NO excuse for not doing the best you can do.

And I am not saying that those brackets wont work or are not strong enough, just they could be better.
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Unread 05-30-2010, 06:34 AM   #42
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BAD weld

These are definitely poor welds.

Undercut in some areas.
Poor penetration in others.

Not sure how the guy could call himself a welder.

As is this part will fail in time. Re-weld or replace!!!

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Unread 05-30-2010, 09:26 AM   #43
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I've had a set now for about 18 months. Have used them at least a dozen times and never had an issue. I've yanked on stumps, other jeeps, a tow truck, and a fire truck. They are welded in the same spots but with with much better welds.

Give Hicountry a chance to make it right.
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Unread 05-30-2010, 11:00 AM   #44
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I agree that the second set of pics looks better, and hopefully they did terminate that employee. I can see the point of stitch welding. Learning to weld myself last weekend, even thick steel (3/16 or 1/4) can warp if you give it continuous heat. That doesn't end up being very helpful when bolt holes need to line up. Man, I would hope that there were only a few sets that got out like that first one.
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Nofrag hit the nail on the head about stitch welds.
They are VERY commonly used in many structural applications from small to big.

#1 ..it keeps from warping the material from excessive heat caused from long welds
#2..it also keeps from putting alot of stress into the lighter material and weakining the HAZ

Most of those wirefeed manufacturing weldor's and machines run a 70 series wire,which means it will withstand 70,000 Ibs per square inch if welded right.

Those peices should of NEVER even got out the door...

I wonder if the guy was just bull**** you for the fact not only did the weldor do crappy work,but it had to of passed through their so called QC's hands and they approved it to go to powder coating.

They should of ALL been terminated,not just the in-expereinced weldor....but i have my doubts any of them have been so called terminated at all for the fact the owners and/or their inspectors/QC let it slip out the door and sold to the public.......
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