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post #1 of 15 Old 04-12-2017, 07:08 PM Thread Starter
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Front Drive Shaft Play

Anyone mind letting me know if this is excessive play in the front drive shaft? I'm hunting down vibrations. I'll take it off to confirm if this might be too much.

https://youtu.be/nkC7iXN64ws

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post #2 of 15 Old 04-12-2017, 07:20 PM
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front drive shaft play

Sounds like the u joints are done and need replacing
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Sounds like the u joints are done and need replacing
Which ones? The drive shaft joints or the ones on the front axle? As far as I can tell there is no play in any of them.
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ull need a new drive shaft or rebuild the one u got
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The video shows that you have some play in the slip yoke. That would
make the driveshaft groan repetitively when you hit 50mph. The extra
vibration risks wearing out quickly the front u-joint and the pinion bearings.

I had one with more play than that and kept it greased and ran it just until I
could get another driveshaft.

There is no cure for a worn slip yoke, except to get another driveshaft
and keep it greased.

You can get another shaft from the junkyard for maybe $30 to $70,
depending on where you live. Look on www.car-part.com for ideas.
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The video shows that you have some play in the slip yoke. That would
make the driveshaft groan repetitively when you hit 50mph. The extra
vibration risks wearing out quickly the front u-joint and the pinion bearings.

I had one with more play than that and kept it greased and ran it just until I
could get another driveshaft.

There is no cure for a worn slip yoke, except to get another driveshaft
and keep it greased.

You can get another shaft from the junkyard for maybe $30 to $70,
depending on where you live. Look on www.car-part.com for ideas.
Thanks for the advice. Went and picked up a shaft from a '96 today and probably overpaid ($50) given its condition. It's definitely not loose, but the cardan joint has way more rust than I expected once it was cleaned up properly. I may just use the joint from my "old" one in place of the "new" one. I'll be slapping some new u joints in regardless.

I guess at least this thing was a good excuse to finally do some electrolysis!

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post #7 of 15 Old 04-14-2017, 02:10 PM Thread Starter
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Did rust removal, decided it was unserviceable. The yard was very kind and took it back for a full refund.

Checked another yard and the yoke had play in the only shaft they had.

Called around and nobody has shafts nearby.

So now I'm stuck. Republic Diesel supposedly does rebuilds, but it might cost as much as a "new" one. Anyone got some good advice?
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Depends on where you live but there are a lot of XJs in the junkyards.
You might have to drive an hour to get one. You could also use a ZJ shaft.

Here is a list of front driveshafts and their collapsed lengths. If you find a good
one that is not your size, you can have a shop lengthen or shorten it. I found a
good one in a JY for $65 and had it shortened for $40.

XJ 87/88 2.5 Automatic 27.950 53003912
XJ 89/93 2.5 Automatic 27.970 53005540
XJ 89/01 2.5 Manual 25.310 53005541
XJ 89/01 4.0 Automatic 30.660 53005542
XJ 89/01 4.0 Manual 29.250 53005543
XJ 89/00 4.0 Manual 27.080 Export 53005544
XJ 89/00 4.0 Automatic 28.620 Export 53005545
XJ 87/88 4.0 Automatic Export 53005260 *
XJ 95/01 Diesel 27.640 Export 52098208

ZJ 1993 4.0 Automatic 30.530 52098341
ZJ 93/95 5.2 Automatic 32.870 w/o CV 53008427
ZJ 94/95 5.2 A500 30.625 w/o CV 52087805
ZJ 94/95 4.0 A500 w/o CV 52098790
ZJ 93/96 4.0 Manual 52098344
ZJ 93/96 4.0, 5.2 31.875 w/ 231, 242 52087805
ZJ 93/95 4.0 Manual 30.000 w/231 52088090
ZJ 93/96 5.2 33.000 w/ 231 53008427
ZJ 96/98 5.2, 5.9 31.250 w/ 249 & Model 30 52098379
ZJ 1996 5.2 Automatic 32.875 w/ 249 & Model 30 52098501
ZJ 96/98 4.0 33.000 w/ 242 52098707
ZJ 96/97 4.0 Automatic 31.250 52098850
ZJ 1996 5.2 Automatic 30.750 w/ 249 & Model 30 52099246
ZJ 96/98 4.0 33.500 w/ 249 52099260

Or you could get a new one from Denny's Driveshafts.
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Don't know what part of the country you live in, but if you're up
north, you are likely to find a lot of rust in the JY.

I bought my driveshaft in NC but it was on a Jeep from New Jersey
and there was a lot of rust. It had been kept well-greased, though,
and the internals were good and it still ran fine.
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I'm in Kentucky. So it's hot and humid for half the year, cold and wet for the other half. The non-rusty shaft I found that was pulled from a 95 XJ ended up having too much play in the slip yoke which was really disappointing because it was in great shape otherwise.

I may look for a ZJ shaft instead. There are more ZJs around town to pull from it seems.
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Seems like Republic Diesel wants $305 to get my old one fixed up. So now I'm just probably going to look for a new one.

http://www.carparts.com/details/Jeep...Q&gclsrc=aw.ds

Anyone have any experience with that?
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Seems like Republic Diesel wants $305 to get my old one fixed up. So now I'm just probably going to look for a new one.

http://www.carparts.com/details/Jeep...Q&gclsrc=aw.ds

Anyone have any experience with that?
A new driveshaft for $150 ? That has to be made of low quality steel
and the cheapest of u-joints. Pass on it.

Did you try the junkyard search link www.car-part.com ? (not carparts.com)
For example, inputting a Lexington, KY zip code shows thirty driveshafts
for an XJ 4.0 automatic within 50 miles. With prices around $50-60. And a ZJ
search would probably turn up as many more.

Take a few minutes and fill out your forum profile. You'll get better help
if people know what your Jeep is like (engine, transmission, axles, etc).
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A new driveshaft for $150 ? That has to be made of low quality steel
and the cheapest of u-joints. Pass on it.

Did you try the junkyard search link www.car-part.com ? (not carparts.com)
For example, inputting a Lexington, KY zip code shows thirty driveshafts
for an XJ 4.0 automatic within 50 miles. With prices around $50-60. And a ZJ
search would probably turn up as many more.

Take a few minutes and fill out your forum profile. You'll get better help
if people know what your Jeep is like (engine, transmission, axles, etc).
The biggest issue I'm running into is when I'm going around and inspecting them they're all either loose at the yoke (with cracked rubber seals), or the rear is similar to the one in my above photo. Not only that, the local yards are not reliably updating their lists so I'm calling around and finding the car-parts listings are non-existent.

Next week I'll be shifting my search into a ZJ focus unless I get lucky.
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If you find one with a slip yoke with no play, it is usable, and if it has
other issues, is reparable. The exterior appearance, even with a lot of
rust, does not matter.

The seal on the slip yoke (that has a zerk) can be replaced cheaply. Morris4x4
has it for about $7.

If the u-joints are bad, you can get original-quality Spicer 1310-X non-greaseable for
about $18 each. If you want greaseable ones, 1310-1X with the zerk in a cap, for a
few dollars more. Spicer 153X are the older, cheaper greaseable line and are OK.

The center yoke and ball can be replaced. Shafts up until 94 (or 95, I may be
wrong) XJs used a greaseable center yoke. Later XJs had a non-greaseable one.

There are quality rebuild kits available here very reasonable:
http://www.dennysdriveshaft.com/c457...aft_parts.html
Make sure you verify before ordering whether you want it for a greaseable or
a non-greaseable centering yoke.

Maybe this will help.
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Same boat, not sure where in KY you are but it has been my experience, not many xj's (99 and newer anyway) in JY's around here. I stopped in at the big one on the east side of Hopkinsville last weekend and no 99 and newer on the lot.

I am taking my front drive shaft down to atlanta to a shop to take a look at it. I was already going to atl and will have some free time there this week so it is going with me. Guy on phone said ~$135 to rebuild and balance or $345 for a new one. I may go new and a shade longer since my ride is lifted a tad.
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