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Unread 07-23-2009, 12:23 AM   #1
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97 xj speedometer, tachometer, airbag light problems!!!

I have a 1997 jeep cherokee country 4wd 4.0 inline 6 cylinder. the problem i am having and seems to be getting worse is driving down the interstate with the cruise control on the speedometer and the tachometer go to zero and the airbag light comes on. it does this for no rhyme or reason. it still drives fine and all other guages work. it does it for about a mile or so give or take then the spedo and tach go back to working and the airbag light goes out. that is how it started and recently it seems like it is doing it more often and i dont have to be on the interstate it happens around town now....but does seem like i have to get on the interstate for it to happen which is irrelevent i guess. it did seem like it i turned the blinker on it would make them go back to working quicker. and also that reminds me to night when i used my left turn signal it made a wierd noise instead of the "blinker noise" and the green arrow didnt light up on the dash. after i completed turn it started working.

thanks for any help in advance.

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Unread 07-23-2009, 06:59 AM   #2
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check the connections on the back of the instrument cluster. May just need to re-seat the connectors.

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Unread 07-23-2009, 07:14 AM   #3
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I would suspect the clock spring is going bad.
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Unread 07-23-2009, 07:21 AM   #4
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I would suspect the clock spring is going bad.
I thought that at first but I 've not heard of the clock spring causing the speedometer and tach to go to zero.
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Unread 07-23-2009, 07:29 AM   #5
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Next time the gauges go out, give the dash a little punch. If the gauges come back to life, it's a bad connection behind the cluster.

The blinker might be a completely separate problem.
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Unread 07-23-2009, 07:33 AM   #6
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Yeah, it could be a combination of dirty cluster connections and the clockspring.IDK
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Unread 07-23-2009, 07:40 AM   #7
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Mine has been doing it for years. It doesn't happen often enough that I've been motivated to pull the dash apart. It's a very common problem in the '97+.
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Unread 07-23-2009, 05:15 PM   #8
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thanks!!

well thanks for the responses. sounds like a lot of work to take dash apart just to check the connections. idk maybe ill just live with it. it started it close to a year ago then went away and now recently it has done it regular. loose connection sounds right cause some of the interstate i drive on is that crappy concreate that breaks and gets uneven. Oh and what is a clock spring just outta curiosity.
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Unread 07-23-2009, 05:24 PM   #9
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The clock spring allows the steering wheel to rotate and still connect electrically.

My gauges cut out on me for the first time in months today. Cracked me up good, considering this thread.
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Unread 07-23-2009, 06:10 PM   #10
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I can 100% tell you that Chrylser has a TSB out on thsi exact issue, it is the cluster connection,a nd it is corroded, you need to yank the cluster clean the connections and put it back together. Mort is absolutely correct, and I work for a Jeep dealer and have had the actual TSB in my hand, they suggest replacing the connector, but honestly a good cleaning and some dielectic grease and you are good to go...
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Unread 07-23-2009, 07:18 PM   #11
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Well if TSB is the case ????

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I can 100% tell you that Chrylser has a TSB out on thsi exact issue, it is the cluster connection,a nd it is corroded, you need to yank the cluster clean the connections and put it back together. Mort is absolutely correct, and I work for a Jeep dealer and have had the actual TSB in my hand, they suggest replacing the connector, but honestly a good cleaning and some dielectic grease and you are good to go...

Well if TSb is the case doesn't that mean Jeep has to fix it for free? I wish I was more mechanically inclined and i would try it but sounds to complicated for a oil changer. Since you say you work for a jeep dealer any idea on how much they would charge to fix it for me. that could save me a lot of time. once again greatly appreciate it.

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Unread 07-23-2009, 08:05 PM   #12
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A TBS is not the same as a RECALL

Dealer would charge 40-50 (thats a guess I dont know for sure)

If you were close I would only charge 25
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more info on it

"TSB NUMBER: 08-15-99

GROUP: Electrical

DATE: May 21, 1999

THIS BULLETIN SUPERSEDES TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN NUMBER 08-20-98 REV. A, DATED OCTOBER 2, 1998, WHICH SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM YOUR FILES AND NOTED IN THE BOUND TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN BOOK, PUBLICATION NUMBER 81-699-99003. THIS IS A COMPLETE REVISION TO THE PROCEDURE.

SUBJECT:
Erratic, Intermittent Cluster Operation/Intermittent Air Bag Warning light.

OVERVIEW:
This bulletin involves installing a repair harness containing a revised instrument cluster connector.

MODELS:

1998 - 1999 (TJ) Wrangler
1998 - 1999 (XJ) Cherokee

SYMPTOM/CONDITION:
Some vehicles may exhibit an intermittent illumination of the air bag warning light or an intermittent tachometer or speedometer drop out. An Airbag Electronic Control Module (AECM) fault code - "No Cluster CCD BUS" message will be present.

DIAGNOSIS:
Using the DRB III(R), read and record all active and stored fault codes in the AECM. This condition is caused by minor oxidation of the BUS circuit terminals at the instrument cluster connector. Electrical terminals will show signs of oxidation, which will appear as darkened lines or marks on the cluster male terminals. These often appear as gray or black marks rather than the appearance of oxidation or corrosion usually associated with higher current carrying circuits. This condition will set a "NO CLUSTER CCD BUS" message. The fault code will usually be stored and not active. THIS TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN WILL NOT ADDRESS FUEL OR OIL PRESSURE GAUGE ISSUES. If this fault code is present, either active or stored perform the Repair Procedure.

PARTS REQUIRED:

1 05016261AA Cluster Connector Patch Harness
1 04856975 Electric Contact Cleaner
2 04778570 Heat Shrink Tubing
POLICY: Reimbursable within the provisions of the warranty.

TIME ALLOWANCE:

Labor Operation No: 08-90-90-91 0.6 Hrs. "
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