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post #1 of 15 Old 08-22-2008, 12:24 PM Thread Starter
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3" Bastard Pack, which leafs of an S10?

I am trying to find a 3" lift for cheap, and I think I want to do a S10 (or similar leaf) bastard pack. There's a junkyard a few towns north that must have every vehicle ever made (their junk yard is like 10 acres) and they have every part usually in their warehouse.

So if I want 3" i know I will want to add the main leaf, but from what I have searched through, that only gives ~2", correct me if I am wrong, and if I am right what else do I add.

As for the rest of the 3" I was thinking 3" coils, shocks and maybe a steering stabilizer all from rustys.

Oh and my stock leaf packs are sagging about an inch


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If the main leaf on your stock pack is bent over the end 1", the Bastard pack might not work.

If this yard has a LOT of jeep vehicles, I woudl suggest this:

S10 packs. You just nee dthe mains from these packs.
MJ (Jeep comanche pickup) rear shakle.

That combo in the rear will give about 3-3.5" of lift depending on the condition of the S10 packs mains.

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i just put s10 leafs in the back of mine and used this order xj main-s10 main-xj second- s10 second- s10 third- s10 overload... and it netted me about 4.5 inches in the rear. i know that doesn't really help you that much but atleast you know not to put those leaves in.
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My rear leafs are flat, not inverted (yet) so I should be ALRIGHT for the time being, in the future (8-12mo) I may just buy new 3" XJ packs regardless of the condition of the bastard pack (unless they are holding up perfectly)

Thanks for the help, doing this should save me around $200 on my lift.

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I helped a member here build a set using just the S10 mains and his netted a hair under 3" of lift. With luck the mains will be all you need.

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I asked my brother about it and he said its too much work, that I need to rivet the leafs and what not. Is it true that I can just put it in there and use some new brackets or whatever they are called and be fine, or do I have to be all fancy like my brother says?

Thanks
Oh and my brother is in college to be a machinist and my dads a machinist so I got help from them if I need it lol.

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Here is a WORKING link to a PDF of the S-10 BB on NAXJA that is linked in the stickies.

http://webpages.charter.net/laurajef...0_pack_PDF.pdf

This should help you out too.

http://fitchva.com/jeep/?p=56

he uses another jeep main to get 2" but using the S-10 main instead shoul dget you around 3" like baloo said.

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Cool! That first pdf is extremely thorough and tells me everything (I hope) I need to know. It looks easier than I thought, now to find some packs, some spare time, and some elbow grease. School is starting tuesday, and with football too, I think time will be the limiting factor lol.

Thanks for the help guys!

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Looks interesting but I would rather just pay $100 for new XJ 3" coils then try to find some of those T-bird used coils and have to still pay probably $35+ for em, not knowing how well they will ride.

Leaf springs are the most expensive part of a 3" lift, thats why I want to do some bastard packs.

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MJ (Jeep comanche pickup) rear shakle.
Have any idea what the MJ shackle measurements are or what amount of lift they offer? I snagged mine from a mid 90s fullsize GM pickup because they're heavier built and add roughly 1.5in

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Have any idea what the MJ shackle measurements are or what amount of lift they offer? I snagged mine from a mid 90s fullsize GM pickup because they're heavier built and add roughly 1.5in

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1.5" longer than the XJ shackle? I'm only basing that off of the 3/4" of lift you can supposedly get from them, you know; 1" = 1/2" of lift when it comes to shackles.

oh and I forgot to say that adding leafs shouldn't be too hard, doing it the "right" way would require finding a leaf spring bolt, but I just took some grade 8 bolts of the correct length, ground the sharp edges of the head a little, and torqued it down! Works perfectly, will never break, and fit right into the little hole on the spring perch, haha.

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I am trying to find a 3" lift for cheap, and I think I want to do a S10 (or similar leaf) bastard pack. There's a junkyard a few towns north that must have every vehicle ever made (their junk yard is like 10 acres) and they have every part usually in their warehouse.

So if I want 3" i know I will want to add the main leaf, but from what I have searched through, that only gives ~2", correct me if I am wrong, and if I am right what else do I add.

As for the rest of the 3" I was thinking 3" coils, shocks and maybe a steering stabilizer all from rustys.

Oh and my stock leaf packs are sagging about an inch
Here is my recommendation for bastard back. I did this with a 3 leaf pack w/overload. I am very happy with this setup and I didn't need spring retainers. I just bent the old retainers straight, drilled them after I got them back together and cut off the excess. I've seen people cut them off only to replace them with cheap sheet metal crap.

My stackup

XJ Main
S-10 3leaf pack main
S-10 3leaf pack Intermediate
S-10 3leaf pack small with retainers bent straight up and drilled for 5/16" cross bolts
XJ small Leaf

Either our language or our culture needs to be expanded/improved so that there is a polite way to say:
Stop talking now, because I am going to stop listening.
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