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Unread 11-14-2007, 07:10 PM   #1
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Removing doors in BC

So from what I've seen on other sites it looks like it's illegal in BC to drive without factory doors on... but I have a question:

I haven't bought my 2008 JK yet, but should be getting it in 3-4 weeks. However when I was driving one last night I saw a sticker in it that made me wonder...
It said something about how the roof and doors are intended to protect from the elements only and not to keep you in the vehicle in case of a crash so you should always wear a seatbelt...

So does that mean that if the doors aren't intended to protect you anyways, you still need them?

Hoping someone knows the answer...
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Unread 11-15-2007, 01:04 PM   #2
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My 2000 tj has the same sticker. As far as I have read if it comes with doors it needs to have some sort of doors on it. On earlier CJ s door were an option so they don't get ticketed. Heard you can get away with as little as a chain. I have driven with the doors off for the last 7 years and no tickets. I have a link to the motor vehichle act some where I'll see if i can find it.
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Unread 11-21-2007, 02:44 AM   #3
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I've never had any problems. The DOT approved the Jeep wrangler the way it sits... with removable doors. Thats my argument for the police if they ever want to ticket me for it. Most of them pull me over just to talk jeep with me though lol
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Unread 11-22-2007, 12:38 PM   #4
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Here it is. http://www.qp.gov.bc.ca/statreg/reg/...tm#section7-09
The imortant part....

From MOTOR VEHICLE ACT REGULATIONS

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Standards of safety and repair
7.09

Door, body, hood

11 The vehicle shall comply with section 19.02 of the regulations with regard to size and dimension.

DoorsóDoors shall be installed in a vehicle where the vehicle was manufactured with doors.

The doors with which a vehicle is equipped shall be in good working order, and any hinge, latch or handle must not be broken, missing or inoperable.

The doors shall not be warped, twisted or weakened to the extent that a slight jar will open them.

A door shall be capable of being opened or closed with normal effort.
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Unread 11-29-2007, 12:24 AM   #5
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There's a forum in www.bc4x4.com that's moderated by a former RCMP member and this has been discussed and debated at length and ad nauseum.

Bascially the common interpretation is as follows:

Vehicles which were manufactured and sold with doors as options (CJ) are not required to have doors on to comply with the MVA.

Vehicles that were manufactured and sold with doors as standard equipment (YJ, TJ, etc) must have doors on to comply with the MVA. The fact that these doors are easily removable is completely irrelevant.

yes it's splitting hairs, but that *is* how most LE in BC will interpret that particular section of the MVA if given cause to.

In other words: there is no guarantee that you WILL be ticketed if you're pulled over while driving without your doors on. I suspect that it's a "judgement call" on the part of the officer and one of those things that they can pull out of their back pocket in case someone decides to give them some attitude.

When I had my YJ from 1989 - 2000 I never got pulled over/ticketed for having my doors off and i've been pulled over plenty of times while driving with my doors off. it was just never an issue with LE. HOWEVER, my understanding is that LE has been less tolerant in recent years.
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Unread 12-09-2007, 01:35 AM   #6
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Yes you do need to have doors on the vehicle but often the reason you get pulled over is because you do not have a drivers side mirror. Geminii in Vancouver/Surrey sell them for 30 bucks or so and they fit in the hole left by the door. It is $75.00 fine for not having a drivers side mirror.

When I put a mirror in my drivers side door hole I never got pulled over.
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Unread 12-17-2007, 02:21 PM   #7
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Yes you do need to have doors on the vehicle but often the reason you get pulled over is because you do not have a drivers side mirror. Geminii in Vancouver/Surrey sell them for 30 bucks or so and they fit in the hole left by the door. It is $75.00 fine for not having a drivers side mirror.

When I put a mirror in my drivers side door hole I never got pulled over.
Yep, that's usually why they'll pull you over.

I have a couple of friends in both VPD and RCMP who are Jeep owners and have yet to ticket a doorless Jeep for driving doors-off. Usually the tix are for various other infractions (such as no mirror) but they have also said that they're willing to ticket and/or fine and/or order a VI for doors-off if they're pushed.

Think of it as graduated ticketing lol
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Unread 12-21-2007, 10:22 AM   #8
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One could get a set of safari doors if the cops start getting sticky.
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Unread 12-21-2007, 09:02 PM   #9
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I figure some sort of half door installation should suffice. I'm thinking Element doors with enclosures painted to match the Jeep would draw little attention.

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Unread 11-15-2008, 02:13 AM   #10
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It's exactly as you put it, cdn. If given cause to.
If you're not doing anything that could be ticketted for, then you likely wouldn't be pulled over. If you're being a 'tard and are asking for trouble, then watch out.
I drive doorless & topless and it's never been a problem. I just try not to attract too much attention.
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Unread 07-02-2009, 02:33 PM   #11
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x2...I agree

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Yep, that's usually why they'll pull you over.

I have a couple of friends in both VPD and RCMP who are Jeep owners and have yet to ticket a doorless Jeep for driving doors-off. Usually the tix are for various other infractions (such as no mirror) but they have also said that they're willing to ticket and/or fine and/or order a VI for doors-off if they're pushed.

Think of it as graduated ticketing lol
I wholeheartedly agree. I have many friends in blue and never have they ever told me that they've pulled someone over just for not having doors. It always stems from either idiotic driving, no mirror (a direct infraction of the MVA that can't be argued), speeding, etc. The list goes on. But I've driven up to police officers houses for BBQ's and such with my doors off but mirror on and not a word is said. In fact, I've even wheeled Harrison and driven from downtown to there and back WITH a cop friend and not a word was said.

"graduated ticketing" is the best way to put it that I can think of too!

Now...onto more important issues: Who's for appealing to the rain gods to make it rain less here in B.C., the lower mainland especially, so that we can drive doorless more often? 9 days of warmth and sun good enough to run doorless each year isn't enough for me, personally speaking!

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Unread 07-24-2009, 01:28 AM   #12
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Well I have news for you guys! I just got pulled over in a seat belt check and the RCMP member gave me a $109 ticket for not having any doors on my Jeep and wants me to go through an inspection with the doors on and that’s another $115. I have been driving CJ 5's for 20 years now (my 5th jeep here) and never had a problem driving without doors.1975 CJ5 is what I got the ticket in. I will be disputing this so if anyone has news on the topic it would help me allot!
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Well I have news for you guys! I just got pulled over in a seat belt check and the RCMP member gave me a $109 ticket for not having any doors on my Jeep and wants me to go through an inspection with the doors on and that’s another $115. I have been driving CJ 5's for 20 years now (my 5th jeep here) and never had a problem driving without doors.1975 CJ5 is what I got the ticket in. I will be disputing this so if anyone has news on the topic it would help me allot!
You were in a CJ? Built prior to 1986? Yes, you were. Are you "fineable"? NO!
Read the link, go to court and tell them to stuff their own regulations you know where!
http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/CVSE/vehicle...able_doors.pdf

I researched this issue today on BB.BC4x4.com and made a post. I then called the cop friends of mine I mentioned in a previous post here and they looked it up. It's for sure true. CJ's exempt, but that's it.

As my BC4x4 post says, I've been pulled over twice in my TJ on the way to a trail-head with no doors (but I never just drive around town without them) and was sent on my way without a ticket. I'm really of the belief that it all depends on the over-all safety of your vehicle, your attitude and politeness and even furthermore, showing them that the sticker is where it is, that your owners manual shows how to remove the doors and that motorcycles, etc. are far more prone to injuries to people than Jeeps.

It's worked for me. Good luck to everyone.

P.S. - Not that I wouldn't like living in a warmer climate, but can you imagine how big an issue this would be if we lived in say...Arizona where it's sunny 250+ days of the year?

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Well I went to Chrysler and Ford inspection and they said if it has hinges for a door it has to be on. Looks like you need doors but I am still digging. Thanks for all the help guys.
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Unread 07-28-2009, 04:18 PM   #15
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Well I went to Chrysler and Ford inspection and they said if it has hinges for a door it has to be on. Looks like you need doors but I am still digging. Thanks for all the help guys.
I don't know why Ford would say that, but a Chrysler stealership makes sense: they want your money at the parts counter!

Read the above posts and especially the page from the Gov't specifying that it can ONLY legally be CJ's built prior to 1986.

But...I still remain of the belief that if a person's driving SANELY and not breaking any rules of the road (speeding, etc.), then the law will leave you alone. At the very worst, plead ignorance and see where that gets you ("I didn't know officer! The doors come off so easily and there's this sticker here above the windshield and instructions in the manual...I thought they were meant to be driven without doors!").

Betcha it'll get you a warning at the most.
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