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Unread 11-07-2009, 09:36 AM   #1
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i'm gathering facts on single payer systems, what do you guys have to say about it?

if you would rather PM me its ok




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Unread 11-09-2009, 08:35 AM   #2
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anyone? it doesn't matter if its positive or negative




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Unread 11-11-2009, 08:50 AM   #3
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noone has comments? i'm not looking to argue, i'm leaning toward it. just want to gather facts
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Unread 01-03-2010, 12:07 AM   #4
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This isn't exactly an active section

Personally, I have very little issue with the system. Sure there are things to be improved, but overall I feel it works very well.
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Unread 01-10-2010, 07:57 PM   #5
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This isn't exactly an active section

Personally, I have very little issue with the system. Sure there are things to be improved, but overall I feel it works very well.





thx for the reply man, anyone else?

is there a better section to post this in?
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Unread 01-14-2010, 11:47 AM   #6
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What kind of facts?
As an American living in Canada I have experienced both sides of the coin.

Real good insurance from Blue Cross several years ago and now the system here in Canada....


Both has advantages and disadvantage.
I pay 54 a month for the healthcare .. no discount on prescriptions .. but no pay to see the doctor, clinic walk in or emergency visit.

Getting a personal doctor can be a pain as well as long waits in the emergency room for non-life threatening patients.


With all of that said.....

I will never lose my house, car or retirement because of hospital costs.




We do pay higher taxes.
We do have long waits if you want to get a scan because your knee hurts...

but you can pay a private clinic if you really really want it that bad.
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Unread 01-15-2010, 06:30 PM   #7
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About 10 years ago I was doing something stupid and shattered my Metacarpophalangeal joint (I love Google). Anyways that's the joint where the thumb joins the hand.

I finally went to a clinic for x-rays. I was referred to a plastic surgeon who sent me next door to a hospital. At the hospital I had a nice chat with an anesthesiologist until I fell asleep. I woke up and everything was put back together the right way with the help of some some hardware, a cast was on my wrist and they told to get lost. All in all I think it took the system 3 days to take me in and spit me back out. I spent about 8 hours in the hospital for the actual surgery. I was treated very well, have never had a problem with that thumb since and never paid a cent for any of those services (except through taxes).

I think the Canadian system works fine. People who need emergency treatment usually get it. There's just too many other people up here with sniffles and aches and pains that think they are entitled to immediate relief that are clogging up and complaining about a system that's geared around triage.

Obviously, someone in cardiac arrest is going to be treated immediately while the guy who spends half his life in emergency rooms looking for relief from his arthritis is going to wait.
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Unread 01-16-2010, 05:19 PM   #8
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thx for the replies fellows, keep them coming.
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Unread 01-17-2010, 12:35 AM   #9
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I've been lucky enough not to personally need our system a whole lot, but I think it works pretty well. Not really a true single payer system mind you. As a paramedic I have an appreciation for not having to consider whether or not someone is insured when they call 911. You have a problem? You get a ride to the hospital and the help you need. Period.

The system doesn't cover everything: you still pay for your own prescriptions, dental, some eyecare, work physicals, etc. But if you feel sick you can just stop by any local walk in clinic, free of charge and no question asked. The doctor just bills the government for your visit.

If you have a problem that isn't considered critical, it is true you can often pay your way to treatment more quickly in the US, but by and large there are ways expedite treatment in Canada as well.

Mostly, I think the difference really boils down to this: if you can afford insurance (and happen to not get screwed by your insurance company), the single payer system isn't necessarily a huge improvement.

On the other hand, if you can't afford insurance or have recently lost your job, you still get whatever healthcare you need. To me, that outweighs any negatives of slightly higher taxes.

The biggest irony: Canada pays less per capita into the healthcare than the US, and yet every single Canadian citizen is garunteed healthcare. Not to mention a slighter longer average lifespan. Whatever you might want to say about a little socialist healthcare, something is working.

If you have any specific questions about the Canadian healthcare system, feel free to ask here/PM me.
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Unread 01-18-2010, 07:05 PM   #10
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do any of you guys come to the US for healthcare?


how does the government provided healthcare affect healthcare in the private sector?
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I never have, although I know of a few that have. Most cases I've heard of were for elective surgeries where the wait was extremely long in Canada and money was not an issue. And you'll find a few people heading out of country to certain institutions worldwide (Mayo Clinic, Hopkins, etc) simply because they want one of the leading experts in the field to treat their specific problem.

Pretty much in the way that you would expect. There is a thriving private sector for care not covered by the government, but virtually none for that that is covered. Why? Because a physician either gets to bill the government (and is then bound by government set rates and restrictions) or opts out of the program entirely and is then is cutoff from all government reimbursement (ie: the patient has to foot the entire bill).

Search around a little; there are plenty of essays floating around the 'net that can explain how the public and private sector mixes better than I can.
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Unread 01-19-2010, 08:37 PM   #12
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how much say does the government have in the doctor's decisions on care for the patient?

here in the US some that oppose universal healthcare talk about "death panels"
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how much say does the government have in the doctor's decisions on care for the patient?
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Unread 01-21-2010, 09:16 AM   #14
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before Canada went to the healthcare system, was there a lot of opposition?

here in the US there is a lot of resistence.
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Unread 01-21-2010, 10:49 AM   #15
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before Canada went to the healthcare system, was there a lot of opposition?

here in the US there is a lot of resistence.
I have no personal experience with this. It came about far before my time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(Canada)
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