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Unread 11-05-2012, 01:58 PM   #16
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LoL guess the tow truck drivers don't care when it's a wrecked vehicle then. That's about the only time I've seen one professionally towed. Well that and impounds. But I do see it done by the rim a lot here in those cases.
Most all vehicles have these little oblong holes in the frame, and the tow rigs have chains on a hydraulic or mechanical winch that pulls on the chains. They have a little key like thing at the end of the chains and they slide under the rig, insert the key like thing in the hole in the frame and then crank them all down at once.

When a vehicle has a unibody with no grame holes they have a polyester strab web that goes over the tires. The rims are often way too expensive to put a poly strap through.

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Unread 11-05-2012, 02:21 PM   #17
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Like I said, guess they don't care if Its wrecked. Never seen a tow truck driver do any of that for a crashed vehicle.
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Unread 11-05-2012, 03:17 PM   #18
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The reason is so they don't harm the loaded vehicle. If you climb under your Jeep you will probably find a rusty spring shackle that attaches the spring to the frame and that is the only thing securing the load when you strap down an axle or a tire. So, that rusty shackle bolt can break really easy when the force is applied pulling it up and down instead of the usual compression of the springs. And a two ton unsecured mass above (the loaded rig) is yanking on that shackle with every bump.

As for a wreck, sometimes there is no way to get under the rig. so you will usually see a tow cable attached and left attached and something hooked into the back to hold it down. Then they just tighten up the tow cable.
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Unread 11-05-2012, 03:27 PM   #19
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The reason is so they don't harm the loaded vehicle. If you climb under your Jeep you will probably find a rusty spring shackle that attaches the spring to the frame and that is the only thing securing the load when you strap down an axle or a tire. So, that rusty shackle bolt can break really easy when the force is applied pulling it up and down instead of the usual compression of the springs. And a two ton unsecured mass above (the loaded rig) is yanking on that shackle with every bump.

As for a wreck, sometimes there is no way to get under the rig. so you will usually see a tow cable attached and left attached and something hooked into the back to hold it down. Then they just tighten up the tow cable.
LoL, not the ones ive seen. they hook the tow cable to the rims, drag the sucker on the ramp and put chains on the back wheels. Seen it dozens of times. Guess they just wanna get it back to the yard haha!
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Unread 11-05-2012, 03:46 PM   #20
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LoL, not the ones ive seen. they hook the tow cable to the rims, drag the sucker on the ramp and put chains on the back wheels. Seen it dozens of times. Guess they just wanna get it back to the yard haha!
Haha! Its the insurance company's problem.
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I transport cars and securing just the axles is a no go. If you get a ticket for say speeding, changing lanes without signalling and the cop doesn't like your attitude or he is just having a bad day, they can cite you for having an unsecure load and depending on your state, you can be talking a few thousand dollars. I use the webbing on the tires and still attach a chain to the frame (i just don't winch it down as hard). if you get into a wreck what is going to stop the vehicle from becoming a 4,000lb missile? Ask a state trooper next time you see one (preferably when not towing) for guidance.

Tow truck drivers have a little thing on the bottom of the invoice that says "not liable for damages", so take that or what its worth.
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Unread 06-01-2013, 05:57 AM   #22
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I transport cars and securing just the axles is a no go. If you get a ticket for say speeding, changing lanes without signalling and the cop doesn't like your attitude or he is just having a bad day, they can cite you for having an unsecure load and depending on your state, you can be talking a few thousand dollars. I use the webbing on the tires and still attach a chain to the frame (i just don't winch it down as hard). if you get into a wreck what is going to stop the vehicle from becoming a 4,000lb missile? Ask a state trooper next time you see one (preferably when not towing) for guidance.

Tow truck drivers have a little thing on the bottom of the invoice that says "not liable for damages", so take that or what its worth.
This is the point that many off roaders don't get. When the axle is strapped down, but not the load, all that keeps the rig on the trailer is the rusty bolt through the leaf spring shackle or the panhard bar. And, damage to the axles can result from a relatively small change in direction with a 4000 rig above the axles yanking on them with every movement.

It amazes me that guys who would have their cell phone camerass out if some moron was trying to nudge his rig out of a mud hole by the axles, will strap their rig down by the axles alone and run down the road with the rig above bouncing all over the place.
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Unread 07-29-2013, 01:28 PM   #23
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Whenever my rig has been towed, it gets a tire strap at each corner and then a chain/binder through the front D-rings and the rear D-rings. Seems to work ok.
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Unread 08-06-2013, 07:41 PM   #24
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If I were you, I'd ignore about 90% of the posts in this thread. It doesn't matter how much air is in your tires. If the bead didn't pop when you rolled it into the trailer, it's not going to happen inside the trailer. And even if it did, it only takes a few minutes to reseat the bead.

Secondly, there's absolutely no reason not to strap to the axles. From a loading/dynamics perspective, it's pretty much the same thing as strapping to the tires. You need to make sure that you have four separate straps or chains connected to the vehicle. I prefer to have them vaguely radiating from center of mass out. And make sure that you have the proper type of strap or chain for your application, and that it's not rubbing anyplace that might damage the straps or the vehicle (this is often the problem with X'ing the straps, btw) A lot of people strap to the tires because (especially with cars) it's the strongest and easiest place to run a strap. But this stuff about how you're going to break the track bar? If you break the track bar bolt or a leaf spring bolt while strapping your vehicle to the trailer, then your vehicle is a hazard to the public and shouldn't be allowed out on the roads to begin with.

Also, strapping to the chassis is inherently difficult. Something like a Jeep is particularly bad, since you'll never be able to get the straps tight enough to compress the springs down to the bump stops. Instead, the vehicle will sway and bounce, shock loading the straps, the D-rings, etc, causing premature wear, degradation, and failure. Commercial haulers use mechanical or hydraulic winches to draw the cars down. That's not an option that you have available to you, and even if you did, your Jeep is sitting on a piece of 3/4" plywood and some undersized Z section crossmembers. Frankly, I'd be a little concerned about the damage that you'd be doing to the trailer.

Finally, your junk is inside an enclosed trailer. How's the popo going to know if it's strapped down at all? Besides, it's *inside the trailer*, so it's secured by default so long as the door is closed. That said, I'd definitely strap it down as described above. If nothing else, if you get into an accident, the trailer might get junked, but your rig will be safe inside. I know a few guys that have wrecked their enclosed trailers with their rigs inside, and the rigs came out of the deal unscathed.
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The reason is so they don't harm the loaded vehicle. If you climb under your Jeep you will probably find a rusty spring shackle that attaches the spring to the frame and that is the only thing securing the load when you strap down an axle or a tire. So, that rusty shackle bolt can break really easy when the force is applied pulling it up and down instead of the usual compression of the springs.
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If I were you, I'd ignore about 90% of the statements in my post.
There I fixed it for you.

Just about everything you said in your post above is pure nonsense. Frankly, it is shocking that one person could say so many stupid things in a single post. I would help you, but its too big a task.
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Right.

Says the guy who's afraid of ripping the axle out from under his rig with a ratchet strap.

Meanwhile, just driving your vehicle down a twisty country road imposes loads of tens of thousands of pounds on the suspension and its connecting links.

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This is the point that many off roaders don't get. When the axle is strapped down, but not the load, all that keeps the rig on the trailer is the rusty bolt through the leaf spring shackle or the panhard bar. And, damage to the axles can result from a relatively small change in direction with a 4000 rig above the axles yanking on them with every movement.

It amazes me that guys who would have their cell phone camerass out if some moron was trying to nudge his rig out of a mud hole by the axles, will strap their rig down by the axles alone and run down the road with the rig above bouncing all over the place.
... because that's not exactly what happens *every single day* when you drive your vehicle down the road.
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Unread 08-07-2013, 06:02 AM   #28
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Right.

Says the guy who's afraid of ripping the axle out from under his rig with a ratchet strap.

Meanwhile, just driving your vehicle down a twisty country road imposes loads of tens of thousands of pounds on the suspension and its connecting links.

... because that's not exactly what happens *every single day* when you drive your vehicle down the road.
If your axles were chained to the pavement your analogy would make sense.

Again, you have posted nonsense.
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If your axles were chained to the pavement your analogy would make sense.

Again, you have posted nonsense.
I can't help it if you don't know anything about vehicle dynamics. But that's cool. You can keep on being an internet expert and worry about how you might break a bolt with a 40,000# shear strength with your ratchet straps, and I'll keep on putting tens of thousands of miles a year towing our jeep and enclosed all over the place. Deal?
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I can't help it if you don't know anything about vehicle dynamics. But that's cool. You can keep on being an internet expert and worry about how you might break a bolt with a 40,000# shear strength with your ratchet straps, and I'll keep on putting tens of thousands of miles a year towing our jeep and enclosed all over the place. Deal?
If you think that the same forces are at work on a rig running down the road as one running down the road on a trailer with its axles chained to the trailer, then I'd suggest that you keep on doing what you're doing, just don't try to give advice to sensible people.

But, if I happen to see you pulling a rig out of the mud with a strap around your axle, pardon me if I take out my cell phone camera and put your hijinks on the Internet.
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