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Unread 12-09-2011, 05:40 PM   #46
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you pay to play lol-and when it comes to the oil burners nothing is cheap-most people would be sick if I told them how much I have into mine. Just like any other truck, if it was left stock (no hot programmer) and well maintained, they will run for a long time. It’s not about how much the guy towed with it; it’s about how fast he went while towing it. IMO, either pay out to get a new truck and have the warranties, or you buy older and just know you will pay to fix the stuff the builder (Chevy ford dodge) messed up. Before you buy look online to see what you should look for.

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Unread 12-09-2011, 05:41 PM   #47
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I'm new to jeeps but not the oil burners-PM me if you have questions I have no issues helping you out. I don't claim to know everything but I have been playing with and breaking them since 04
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Unread 12-11-2011, 07:08 AM   #48
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No problem with the current GF, she can drive a stick. It's reaching the pedals she has a problem with!

Anyone have any suggestions on it, anything I should look for? I'm going to try and look at it tomorrow but my schedule is crazy right now. I also have my mothers Christmas party to go too which doesn't help and missing that is one of the seven deadly sins! Missing family events is a straight ticket to hell!
Update, Pleeeeeeeeease. Did you go look at the truck? We need details
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Unread 12-11-2011, 11:54 AM   #49
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No, I can't find the time while its daylight, hopefully he still has it when I get a chance to get there this week.
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Unread 12-13-2011, 07:26 AM   #50
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well the guy sold the truck before I could look at it. A co-worker bought a new f150 with the ecoboost over the weekend and that thing is nice. It gave me a severe case of new truck fever.
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Unread 12-13-2011, 07:37 AM   #51
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well the guy sold the truck before I could look at it. A co-worker bought a new f150 with the ecoboost over the weekend and that thing is nice. It gave me a severe case of new truck fever.
That sticker in the window might change your mind real quick.
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Unread 12-13-2011, 08:08 AM   #52
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That sticker in the window might change your mind real quick.
he bought a 2011 2wd extended cab XLT lariat for $27k. That's about the same price as the 2012 Dodge hemis I was looking at.

It's not so much the sticker but knowing I paid that for it to sit in the driveway 85-90% of the time that would get to me.
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Unread 12-13-2011, 08:27 AM   #53
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he bought a 2011 2wd extended cab XLT lariat for $27k. That's about the same price as the 2012 Dodge hemis I was looking at.

It's not so much the sticker but knowing I paid that for it to sit in the driveway 85-90% of the time that would get to me.
There isn't enough money in China to cause me to by a Hemi..... If you are going to spend that kind of $$, go with the Ford, if that is the only two choices.
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Unread 12-13-2011, 09:09 AM   #54
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why don't you like Hemis?
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Unread 12-13-2011, 09:17 AM   #55
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why don't you like Hemis?
I just don't like the Hemi in a truck. Too expensive to repair, too many horror stories, and they suck way too much gas. Look around on the Web, you will see that used Dodge trucks with the Hemi are listed for a low price compared to the 5.9 V8, the Cummins, and to the V10's. You will also see that there appears to be a boat load of the Hemi trucks on the used car market.
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Unread 12-13-2011, 09:23 AM   #56
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The first gen/era Hemis were that way but it seems that Dodge has brought the new ones up to speed a bit as I have read of several people seeing 20mpg out of 4x4 crew cab 1/2 tons. Granted, it wouldn't be my first choice but I don't think it's a terrible motor.
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Unread 12-13-2011, 10:20 AM   #57
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The first gen/era Hemis were that way but it seems that Dodge has brought the new ones up to speed a bit as I have read of several people seeing 20mpg out of 4x4 crew cab 1/2 tons. Granted, it wouldn't be my first choice but I don't think it's a terrible motor.
I used a friend's 2005? Durango with a Hemi to pull my Jeep & trailer on a road trip once. Man was that an expensive trip and I'm use to a tow pig that only gets 10 MPG on the highway while towing. That Hemi didn't know that trailer was back there, but it knew where all the gas stations were located
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Unread 12-14-2011, 06:33 AM   #58
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ford auto trans pre torque shift are known to be a little weak (the ones behind the 7.3) but seem to hold up ok if you don’t beat on them (I really don’t know much about the E4OD and 4R100s). The early dodge autos are crap-I can’t remember off the top of my head when dodge got it right with an auto but it was late in the game. Allison autos are strong until you turn the engine up, you can’t adjust the line/clutch pressures electronically in a Allison like the torque shift so they do great stock but not so much with much over a +100HP program in it.
Here is what you have to watch for-programing. I can take a stock 2010 truck (any brand) and flash the ECM with a stupid hot program that will add 200 HP and almost 400 ftlb to it, hook it up to a trailer and precede to run my EGTs over 2000, melt the pistons, burn the turbo turbine and burn every clutch in the transmission in about 90 seconds. People think that their little $500 programmer is the greatest thing out there, and don’t build the rest of the truck to hold the power. If you are buying a used truck and it has one on there STAY AWAY! Only way I would buy it if I knew the guy was smart and not pushing the truck.
Sooo here is IMO what you are looking at:
Don’t buy a truck that has a programmer on it unless you know the guy…….
7.3-old, underpowered compared to the new stuff, but holds up well. Auto trans might need some work if it has had a hard life
6.0-lots of issues with the HPOP and HG, the rest of the truck is strong
6.4- some early ones had issues with overheating, but IIRC ford fixed it, they seem to be a strong truck. Has a DPF on it so it has bad fuel mileage.
Chevy-LB7s(01-04.5) had injectors issues, they last about 80-100K then its about 2K in parts and a full weekend to work on it, but very strong besides that.
LLY 04.5-05 are known to have weaker HG (but if you run stock power levels it’s not an issue). They also have an overheating issue due to the air intake-it is a simple and somewhat cheap fix.
LLY/LBZ 06-07.5. Same thing as the 04.5-05 just different programing and minor changes. This is where they went to the 6 speed (vs 5) Allison.
LMM-07.5-10 strong engines
LMLs-10-now. I don’t like them b/c the locked the ECM so we cant play with EFI live-bastards!
Dodge-I know the least about the dodges but here you go-
First and second gen 89-93/93-98 were 12V, and had weak auto trans. They went to a 24V in 98.5 and then a common rail in 03. In 07.5 they went to the new 6.7. I’m not sure when they went to a good trans, but next time I talk to my brother Ill ask him (he’s into the dodges)

Hope this helps
Pretty much dead on with the Dmax's. We run a fleet of about 25 DMAX 2500/3500's and a few box trucks. A mixture of the various years. The LB7s are by far the most problematic. But even the LB7s are getting in the 300k range mileage wise. About the only thing I would add is on the transition between the 5 and 6 speed allisons, we had some odd ball leak issues. Nothing serious but annoying as hell. If you look at anything from that vintage make sure there are no leaks. As for the new LMLs, all i will say is **** that urea BS. The power is good though and the exhaust brake is excellent.

Im not a big Chevy guy but I love these trucks with the LMM and up/Allison combo. I am on my second one. As for price, my 09 2wd WT EC came in for around 30k new.I did not get many options, thats a positive thing about daily driving a jeep for so long is that i really do not care about much of that. The standard seats are actually very comfortable IMO. The only extra I got in the cab was the nice stereo and cruise. Outside I had them line x the bed and add step bars. The DMAX option adds A LOT as far as functionality in and of itself (tow package, gov lock, dual batteries etc). I do not think 30k was bad at all. I have never needed 4wd on this truck. Shes on 139k miles now, only issue it ever had was a cracked exhaust manifold.

With the towing eco tune (80hp ish I think) its perfect for my use. I am going to do a DPF delete, but my goal here is to add fuel economy, not for more power. I swear the fuel gauge drops 1/8 tank (it has the small tank) every time it does a regen. Also knocks about 15% off the oil life if the regen hits during stop and go traffic, i.e. not on the highway. But I digress,................I am not going to lie and say I do not like the power , but even the tuner is for fuel economy believe it or not. The truck had more than enough power for my needs right off the lot.
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Unread 12-14-2011, 09:02 AM   #59
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Okay, I know on a duramax they had injector issues on the 01-04 models. I've found an 04 model I can get a good deal on. How do I tell if it's a 04 or 04-1/2? How do I know if the injectors have been replaced? Is that a fix or will they have injector issues again? I believe that's around a $4000 job.

Here's the truck. I can get a little better price on it than they're advertising.

http://www.akinsford.com/2004-Chevrolet-Silverado-2500HD-LS-Winder-GA/vd/8727029

It's a little more than I wanted to spend but I know you get what you pay for and with only 108k on the clock it should last me another 10 years easily.
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Unread 12-14-2011, 11:35 AM   #60
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I hate to say it, but at 108k its right there in that range where those factory injectors typically need to be replaced. We saw it between 100 and 120k almost without exception. You could possibly check the VIN through chevy and find out if they have already been replaced. It appears the PO sold the truck right at the end of the 7 year 200k warranty on the injectors. My guess is they have not been changed, but thats all it is, a guess.
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