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Unread 12-06-2013, 06:52 PM   #1
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jeep tie downs

I have been using the 2in ratchet straps to tie down my jeep to my trailer. I want to go to chain tie downs because it will give me more peace of mind. My question is what size chain is recommended? I know more is better but I don't wanna waste money and go overkill on the chain thickness. thanks.

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Unread 12-06-2013, 09:41 PM   #2
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2" ratchet straps? You mean the ones you get at walmart for $10? The ones that are marginal for securing a 400 pound atv?
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Unread 12-07-2013, 08:11 AM   #3
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yep im using $10 ratchet straps to hold down a jeep. the 2in wide straps I have have a 5000lb working strength and 12,000lb break strength so they are more than capable of holding the jeep. I was asking about chain size. Thanks for your input on nothing
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Unread 12-07-2013, 08:30 AM   #4
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The problem with $10 ratchet straps is that you can't really apply any force to them. The cheap ones have a six inch handle turning a 1.5 inch spool yielding exactly a 4 to 1 mechanical advantage meaning that if you can curl 100 pounds with one hand you can probably put 400 pounds of force to a 2" ratchet strap. Second, it is the pot metal ratchet mechanism that is the issue. You can't break the polyester strap but the dinkly little ratchet will blow all to hell long before you get enough force to strain that strap. As for the 5000 lb working load limit, I call BS.

As for chains, you want 3/8" grade 70. And, if you are one of the daring guys who likes to strap by the axles, please note that a ratchet chain binder with at least a 200 to 1 mechanical advantage, can easily bend an axle tube. You can't hurt an axle with a yellow strap just by screwing it down, but you can pull the axles right off your rig with a chain binder. A few years ago, my 10 year old niece lifted the entire front end of my XJ in the air with a chain binder without working up a sweat.
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Unread 12-07-2013, 05:15 PM   #5
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The problem with $10 ratchet straps is that you can't really apply any force to them. The cheap ones have a six inch handle turning a 1.5 inch spool yielding exactly a 4 to 1 mechanical advantage meaning that if you can curl 100 pounds with one hand you can probably put 400 pounds of force to a 2" ratchet strap. Second, it is the pot metal ratchet mechanism that is the issue. You can't break the polyester strap but the dinkly little ratchet will blow all to hell long before you get enough force to strain that strap. As for the 5000 lb working load limit, I call BS.

As for chains, you want 3/8" grade 70. And, if you are one of the daring guys who likes to strap by the axles, please note that a ratchet chain binder with at least a 200 to 1 mechanical advantage, can easily bend an axle tube. You can't hurt an axle with a yellow strap just by screwing it down, but you can pull the axles right off your rig with a chain binder. A few years ago, my 10 year old niece lifted the entire front end of my XJ in the air with a chain binder without working up a sweat.

you are correct my axle straps are not 5000lb W.L.L.(my bad) here are the
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Working Load Limit: 3,335 LBS

Assembly Break Strength: 10,000 LBS
Overall Width x Length: 2" x 8'

I got these from US Cargo control. I was thinking about the chain binders causing damage to the jeep last night. I may just stick with the straps.
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Unread 12-07-2013, 07:23 PM   #6
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you are correct my axle straps are not 5000lb W.L.L.(my bad) here are the
Specifications

Working Load Limit: 3,335 LBS

Assembly Break Strength: 10,000 LBS
Overall Width x Length: 2" x 8'

I got these from US Cargo control. I was thinking about the chain binders causing damage to the jeep last night. I may just stick with the straps.

I've bought a lot of stuff from US Cargo Control. But note, their 2" straps are not really the $10 straps. They are the $30 straps with the heavy duty ratchet mechanism. Probably the best made. Good that you have purchased a quality strap.
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Unread 12-08-2013, 09:58 AM   #7
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you are correct my axle straps are not 5000lb W.L.L.(my bad) here are the
Specifications

Working Load Limit: 3,335 LBS

Assembly Break Strength: 10,000 LBS
Overall Width x Length: 2" x 8'

I got these from US Cargo control. I was thinking about the chain binders causing damage to the jeep last night. I may just stick with the straps.
If your worried about damage connect them to the frame and snug it down. Yes I do know there is a long topic on frame vs axle tie downs that im not going to get into.
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yep im using $10 ratchet straps to hold down a jeep. the 2in wide straps I have have a 5000lb working strength and 12,000lb break strength so they are more than capable of holding the jeep. I was asking about chain size. Thanks for your input on nothing
You're welcome I've seen way worse than $10 straps on loaded vehicles before. I have nylon straps as well, but they're a lot wider than 2", all my cheapy's, that I break routinely on light stuff, are about 2" though, hence the question.
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Unread 12-16-2013, 06:45 AM   #9
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Chains are very nice and reasonably priced for their load cap. the ratchets tensioners are worth every penny for the piece of mind...
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Unread 12-22-2013, 02:25 PM   #10
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I use 3/8 chain and binders and will never switch to anything else. there cheap, durable, easy to use, and last for ever.
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I use 3/8 chain and binders and will never switch to anything else. there cheap, durable, easy to use, and last for ever.
Yep, what he said

More exact, 3/8 grade 70 transport chain, Shop around and find a good price, I found it at Lowes. Some states require that you use grade 70.

and I use the screw/ratchet binder (4)(harbor freight).

As a suggestion, I cut a 20 ft length of chain into 8 lengths and bolted 4 to the frame of the trailer (using grade 8 bolts). the other 4 I hook, with "T" hooks (Northorn tool), into the frame of the jeep. Attach the binders and tighten down. Stop and check at fuel/ rest stops.

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