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post #16 of 30 Old 10-15-2008, 07:40 PM
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I wouldn't tow with anything else besides a Diesel. Just because a 1/2 ton truck says its rated for 10,000 lbs doesn't mean you should tow that much with one!

Muddyjeep - what is that Bri-Mar worth? 18'? 12k lbs?

Nice truck...I have the same one but 2007 with the 6.7!


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post #17 of 30 Old 10-15-2008, 08:52 PM
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Muddyjeep - what is that Bri-Mar worth? 18'? 12k lbs?

Nice truck...I have the same one but 2007 with the 6.7!


18' 10k. I love the Cummins.

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If you are set on a half ton why not sell the 3000lbs enclosed trailer and get a deck over. Could easily save you 1500lbs+ if not 2000lbs.

I believe the new ram 1500s are coil springs in the rear though, not sure if that would be the best bet for higher wieght loads.


I have been flat towing lately (trailer is on the "to buy" list) and had my jeep on a trailer a few times and my trucks not too bad. Wouldn't want to go much heavier behind it and my next truck will definatly be a 3/4 ton



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My Jeep is 4226 lbs on the scale at the race track. It has heavy running gear and wheels but is otherwise stripped (no top doors windshield dash hvac, uses plastic seats). TJ's are fat, I'd guess yours between 4500-4800. Put that inside a 3k trailer and you need a diesel. Is a gas truck rated for the weight? Barely. You will be hating life if you're towing that much load with a gasser. going up hills at 40 mph tops and stopping at every gas station.

Go with a 5.9 Cummins and don't look back. Only thing I would trade my 02 for is another newer 5.9 with less miles (keep the 6.7 and emisions crap).
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I wouldn't tow with anything else besides a Diesel. Just because a 1/2 ton truck says its rated for 10,000 lbs doesn't mean you should tow that much with one!
With the RIGHT 1/2 ton, it works just fine....

My Titan towed my junk to Colorado and back through some pretty high passes without a wimper. I still got 11mpg at 65-70mph. (normal is only 15!)
Total weight being towed was just under 6800#

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Thanks for the replies everyone. I need an enclosed trailer because 95% of the time the trailer is going to be hauling ATVs and dirt bikes to desert races. We often end up staying in a motel several hundred miles away from home, and I do not want the race bikes on a flat bed trailer or in an open pickup truck. An enclosed trailer is not theft proof either, but not being able to see what is inside certainly takes the incentive away from the thiefs.

I'm looking at the Silver Arrow line of trailers from Pace American. They are all aluminum construction, including the frame, tongue, walls and roof. The 20' trailer I am looking at weighs 2952 lbs, which is about 800 lbs less than a comparable size trailer with a steel frame.

I'm not sure the 1/2 ton Dodge is going to work though, because the trailer and Jeep are still going to be 8000 lbs with minimal gear in the trailer. The most I can get a 1/2 ton Dodge spec'd for is a towing capacity of 8450 lbs, which is not even enough to account for the passengers riding in the truck.

I can get a 1/2 ton GMC spec'd to tow 10,500 lbs.

And then there are always the 3/4 ton trucks, and the diesels, neither of which I really want as a daily driver. ...

Might just have to drive the Jeep instead of towing it.

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3/4 ton trucks are massive, believe me. they are not great DD's but my dad has done it for 8 years without much complaint. his 05 Ram 2500 5.9 6-spd manages a healthy 20.5 MPG with interstate travel every day - so its fairly economical for a 7500lb leviathan

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What about doing a crawler hauler (retired u-haul, add a fridge, camper stove, and even water for around 5-6k) and if your wife needs a new dd get her a nice little commuter car.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=487272
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=480067
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=691445

Also, if you're only doing it once or twice a year, you could always rent a u haul trailer (think they are 1500-2000lbs)

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post #24 of 30 Old 10-25-2008, 12:43 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks for the input everyone. I thought you might like some follow up, being as I just weighed the Jeep at a certified Cat Scale, and it weighs an even 4600 lbs. I only missed it by 100 lbs when I guessed at the start of this thread.

The Jeep has 2220 lbs on the front axle, and 2380 lbs on the rear axle with no passengers.

I even weighed the 20' enclosed trailer I am currently using, and it weighs 3450 lbs empty. The all aluminum trailer I had been considering is only 500 lbs lighter than my current trailer, so probably not worth the expense, while still being too heavy for a half ton pickup to tow comfortably.

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The 09 dodge 1500 has link coil suspension in the rear. It is supossed to ride the same loaded or unloaded. Heard real good things about it.
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post #26 of 30 Old 11-10-2008, 01:23 AM
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As for which truck to buy just remember its not about what the truck is rated at to pull considering the hardest part about towing isn't getting your rig moving, its about getting it to stop. Having a 3/4 ton truck isnt worlds better at pulling than a 1/2 ton but it is much better at being able to control it.
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I need an enclosed trailer because 95% of the time the trailer is going to be hauling ATVs and dirt bikes to desert races. We often end up staying in a motel several hundred miles away from home, and I do not want the race bikes on a flat bed trailer or in an open pickup truck. An enclosed trailer is not theft proof either, but not being able to see what is inside certainly takes the incentive away from the thiefs.

I'm looking at the Silver Arrow line of trailers from Pace American. They are all aluminum construction, including the frame, tongue, walls and roof. The 20' trailer I am looking at weighs 2952 lbs, which is about 800 lbs less than a comparable size trailer with a steel frame.

I'm not sure the 1/2 ton Dodge is going to work though, because the trailer and Jeep are still going to be 8000 lbs with minimal gear in the trailer. The most I can get a 1/2 ton Dodge spec'd for is a towing capacity of 8450 lbs, which is not even enough to account for the passengers riding in the truck.

I can get a 1/2 ton GMC spec'd to tow 10,500 lbs.

And then there are always the 3/4 ton trucks, and the diesels, neither of which I really want as a daily driver. ...

Might just have to drive the Jeep instead of towing it.

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Weight is one thing but pound for pound an enclosed trailer is harder to tow. A 20' box trailer will move a lot of air, and if it's windy you will know it! Eight thousand pounds is heavy but it will feel even heavier with an enclosed due to the barn door aerodynamics. I would love to have an enclosed trailer for the storage reasons you listed along with the ability to add living quarters (make mine 26' and 12k, and a gooseneck if possible), I just don't have nearly the money for one

You will want a diesel with that load. You will get used to driving it every day and you'll thank yourself when you hit the first hill on the highway with that trailer.
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With the RIGHT 1/2 ton, it works just fine....

My Titan towed my junk to Colorado and back through some pretty high passes without a wimper. I still got 11mpg at 65-70mph. (normal is only 15!)
Total weight being towed was just under 6800#
x2, with a brake controller and proper placement of jeep on trailer, there are no issues. i average 12mpg, have no issues passing, keep speed, or acceralting


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hauling a heavy thing on a hitch is fine, but once you pull something with a goose neck you'll never look back. that is something to consider. the stability and control that a gooseneck offers is incredible

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my dodge towing my friends xj home from south carolina. truck full of fuel, trailer, jeep, and tools weighed 14,6?? got 13mpg hand cal. and we took rt81 it has a good amount of hills. There was not one time where the truck had to shift out of 6 gear od to maintain 70 mph. The speed i like to drive is 70 some times a little faster. there is even this long(maybe 3 mile)up hill in west virgina (i think) where I was blowing by everything when i stayed at 70mph. I also don't have brakes on the trailer so i relay on my exhasut brake to take up the slack. If you get a diesel deffinitly get an E-brake as i never had to touch the brakes the hole trip unless i was going under 30 mph getting off the highway.

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