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Unread 01-25-2010, 07:56 PM   #1
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Flat Tow a TJ ?? Tow Bar ?? Brake Assist??

I am Towing my TJ tow Mammoth from Corona this year for vacation.
I have a 05 F250 PSD , I ussuall tow a Fifth Wheel Toy Hauler , not this time... Condo........

I'm looking at tow bars.
Where is the best place to bolt it on?? Whats best - Widest or Narrowest position?

I think I will just get the cheapest Tow Bar I can find...WDYT?

Tow lights Hmm looks simple ....... magnetic kit ... again cheapest ...........


Toad brake assist. Who uses and who doesn't ???
Lots of $$$$$ I think I'll pass........

Ya Ya Transfer case Neutral , Trans in Park , key in so wheel turns.

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Unread 01-26-2010, 04:48 PM   #2
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I have flat towed my TJ many, many miles. If the weather is good, It is my preference over the trailer. If the roads are slick at all, I use a trailer. I do not have a brake controller for the jeep and I am using the cheapest tow bar I could find. I do have it set about as wide as it will go. I have never been bothered over a break controller for the jeep but I have been told that in the mountain areas this is something they look for. It would be nice to have because the jeep can really push the back of the truck around. Take it easy in the turns.

I installed an additional light fixture in each tail light and wired them to a 4 prong flat in the front of the jeep. The tow lights are always ready to just plug in.


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Unread 01-26-2010, 05:00 PM   #3
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Unread 01-26-2010, 10:03 PM   #4
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I think if you work through the California statute on this you will end up concluding that any towed rig of 3000 lb requires brakes on two wheels.
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Unread 01-27-2010, 05:41 AM   #5
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I think if you work through the California statute on this you will end up concluding that any towed rig of 3000 lb requires brakes on two wheels.
Im sure that you are correct and I think that is true for just about any state. It is just that most states dont care or look at a flat tow. A RV dealer I spoke with in Indiana (last year) said the same thing but warned that in the mountain states, They do check and care.
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Unread 01-27-2010, 08:03 AM   #6
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Im sure that you are correct and I think that is true for just about any state. It is just that most states dont care or look at a flat tow. A RV dealer I spoke with in Indiana (last year) said the same thing but warned that in the mountain states, They do check and care.
California cares about everything. In Indiana (or Ohio for that matter) you could tow a chicken coop on casters and unless you got in a wreck no one would bother you. But the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia is a whole different matter.
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Unread 01-27-2010, 04:46 PM   #7
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California cares about everything. In Indiana (or Ohio for that matter) you could tow a chicken coop on casters and unless you got in a wreck no one would bother you. But the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia is a whole different matter.
I think I have seen Chicken coops on casters going down the road. It may have been in Kentucky though.
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Unread 01-27-2010, 05:11 PM   #8
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I think I have seen Chicken coops on casters going down the road. It may have been in Kentucky though.
I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I once towed a huge laundry machine across town on casters. Sparks were flying and when we arrived there was little left of the casters and some modification of the bottom of the machine.
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Unread 01-28-2010, 10:47 AM   #9
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Mike, when I lived in orange county I flat towed my YJ (3280 lbs) with a cheap ebay tow bar ($50) and magnetic light kit ($25). I have used these for over 4 years without an issue, or hassle by the man. I don't use a brake-buddy or similar device, but sometimes I wish I had one. I was towing behind a 4000lb 4runner, and that just wasn't enough weight or brake power, but I think with a perfectly level bar, your F250 is much less likely to get pushed around. I've got thousands of miles (in the rockies no less) flat towing with success, I say go for it but give yourself lots of space to stop.
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Unread 01-28-2010, 10:53 AM   #10
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An F250 needs about 600 lb over the axles in the bed to make the vehicle handle really well with a flat tow. The tongue weight on a trailer pull does this job to some extent. But if you really want to feel good on that combination, especially without brakes on the towed vehicle, that's what you'll do.
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Unread 01-28-2010, 11:27 AM   #11
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An F250 needs about 600 lb over the axles in the bed to make the vehicle handle really well with a flat tow. The tongue weight on a trailer pull does this job to some extent. But if you really want to feel good on that combination, especially without brakes on the towed vehicle, that's what you'll do.
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When we pulled with the RV, You could not tell it was back there.
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Unread 01-28-2010, 05:30 PM   #12
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I think if you work through the California statute on this you will end up concluding that any towed rig of 3000 lb requires brakes on two wheels.
This is not the case, here is the section you're referring to, but it only applies to trailers.....

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Originally Posted by CA Vehicle Code
26302. (a) Every trailer or semitrailer, manufactured and first
registered after January 1, 1940, and having a gross weight of 6,000
pounds or more and which is operated at a speed of 20 miles per hour
or over shall be equipped with brakes.
(b) Every trailer or semitrailer manufactured and first registered
after January 1, 1966, and having a gross weight of 3,000 pounds or
more shall be equipped with brakes on at least two wheels
Here's what you need to be concerned with when flat towing.....

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26458. (a) The braking system on every motor vehicle used to tow
another vehicle shall be so arranged that one control on the towing
vehicle shall, when applied, operate all the service brakes on the
power unit and combination of vehicles when either or both of the
following conditions exist:
(1) The towing vehicle is required to be equipped with power
brakes.
(2) The towed vehicle is required to be equipped with brakes and
is equipped with power brakes.
(b) Subdivision (a) shall not be construed to prohibit motor
vehicles from being equipped with an additional control to be used to
operate the brakes on the trailer or trailers.
(c) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following
combinations of vehicles, if the combination of vehicles meets the
stopping distance requirements of Section 26454:

(1) Vehicles engaged in driveaway-towaway operations.
(2) Disabled vehicles, while being towed.
(3) Towed motor vehicles.
(4) Trailers equipped with inertially controlled brakes which are
designed to be applied automatically upon breakaway from the towing
vehicle and which are capable of stopping and holding the trailer
stationary for not less than 15 minutes.
Here's the section about stopping distance....

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26454. (a) The service brakes of every motor vehicle or combination
of vehicles shall be adequate to control the movement of and to stop
and hold such vehicle or combination of vehicles under all
conditions of loading on any grade on which it is operated.
(b) Every motor vehicle or combination of vehicles, at any time
and under all conditions of loading, shall, upon application of the
service brake, be capable of stopping from an initial speed of 20
miles per hour
according to the following requirements:
Maximum
Stopping
Distance (feet)
(1) Any passenger vehicle...
25
(2) Any single motor vehicle with a
manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of less
than 10,000 lbs...
40
(3) Any combination of vehicles consisting of a passenger vehicle
or any motor vehicle with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating
of less than 10,000 lbs. in combination with any trailer, semitrailer or
trailercoach...
40

(4) Any single motor vehicle with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight
rating of 10,000 lbs. or more or any bus...
40
(5) All other combinations of vehicles...
50
Now, with all that.... I don't know anyone who flat tows their Jeep in CA with an aux. braking system. I also use the magnetic lights, I got them from Harbor Freight for around $14.
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Unread 01-28-2010, 07:55 PM   #13
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i flat tow my yj behind my 98 Ram 1500 with a 5.2L with no problems. I use a cheap harbor freight adjustable tow bar and i wired the YJ with a 4 prong on the front so the tow rig controls the YJs lights while being towed. works like a charm and really, apart from the power loss of pulling it, i hardly know its back there when I tow it. no add on brakes or any of that stuff for me.
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Unread 01-31-2010, 09:37 AM   #14
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I have flat towed my TJ many, many miles. If the weather is good, It is my preference over the trailer. If the roads are slick at all, I use a trailer. I do not have a brake controller for the jeep and I am using the cheapest tow bar I could find. I do have it set about as wide as it will go. I have never been bothered over a break controller for the jeep but I have been told that in the mountain areas this is something they look for. It would be nice to have because the jeep can really push the back of the truck around. Take it easy in the turns.

I installed an additional light fixture in each tail light and wired them to a 4 prong flat in the front of the jeep. The tow lights are always ready to just plug in.


Is there a reason you did not use your D ring mounts to hook your tow bar to the jeep? I was looking at the Warrior mounting adapters for D ring mounts but have not seen anyone else using them.

thanks,

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Unread 01-31-2010, 06:59 PM   #15
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I already had the brackets that came with the tow bar. They were simple to bolt to the bumper. I would have had to get new brackets and I am to lazy for that. This also lets me use the D-rings for my safety chains.
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