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Unread 05-29-2013, 08:31 AM   #1
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Bigt2317's crawler hauler build

I finally picked up a trailer which is the first phase of my "redneck crawler hauler". I got a 2013 Load Max 32' deck lowboy gooseneck, it has 2 7K dexter brake axles, LED's all the way around, full 102" deck with braced drive over fenders, rear stabilizer jacks, 6 D rings welded on it, Winch plate welded to neck and slide in the side ramps. I picked it up last weekend and pulled it about 250 miles home, it towed great! I'm thinking about sealing the top and bottom side of the deck to prolong it's life, if so I'll be sure to take some pics. I also need to weld some more D rings to the trailer but I'd like to get the camper (phase 2) picked out first so I know exactly where to put the D rings.

As far as the camper goes, I'm looking for a nice cab over truck camper or even a small RV and cutting the axles and tongue off. The camper needs to have a shower, toilet, sink, fridge, etc., etc., with at least 2 beds for my son, my wife and I. I'm searching craigslist daily as well as Ebay and local ads, most of the ones I've found are either way to much or damaged by water. I can get a heck of a deal on the water damaged ones but with my limited time I'm really not sure if I want to mess with water damage, this will be our first RV so diving right in to one that needs a good amount or repair would not be smart as I hear it can get EXPENSIVE fast!

Anyways here is the trailer:


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Here are some general measurements, (All are on stock 2008 F350 suspension with 25 psi in fire stone rear airbags):

Measurement from ground to deck
Front of trailer - 30"
Middle - 27-1/2"
Rear - 26"

Overall width 101-3/4"
Between fenders 83"
Ground to bottom of neck I beam 68-1/4"
Top of tailgate to bottom of neck I beam 11-3/4"
Top of deck to top of neck 46-1/2"
Front of deck to front of fender 212-1/2"
Front of fender to rear of fender 77"
Back of fender to back of deck 93-1/2"
Low pint of ground clearance at landing gear (front) 15-3/4"
Rear ground clearance at end of dovetail 14-1/2"
Top of deck to top of fenders 8-1/4"

Like I said, all of these are on my stock suspension with air bags as the only mod, 25 psi in the bags and I basically have 35x12.50x20's on the truck. I also moved the coupler in the neck up one more spot so the front of the trailer sits lower in the bed of the truck to make up for the leveling of the bags.


I did go weigh the truck and trailer combo today. With almost a full tank of fuel (a few gallons less), empty trailer and me in the truck it came in a 15,000 lbs right on the money! I'm going to take my truck back over there and weigh it soon to get the difference. I'll also take the jeep to the scale as well as get a total weight of the jeep loaded on the trailer to see what the max is on my future camper

Update on weights:

Truck - Unloaded but had a full tank of diesel, me in it (200lbs.) plus all my extras like bumpers, side steps, bed liner, toolbox with tools, etc. 9,150 lbs.

Trailer - Unloaded - 5,850 lbs.

Total weight (truck and empty trailer) - 15,000lbs. exact.

Jeep - 4,220lbs. with empty fuel tank, no engine skid, no doors, no top.

Camper - 2,900lbs. with typical stuff in there and a close to empty 20# propane tank but no water in the fresh water tank

Total with Truck, gooseneck with RV - 17,900lbs.

Total with Truck, gooseneck with RV AND jeep - calculated to 22,120lbs. Haven't weighted it yet fully loaded down, will do that hopefully soon

Goal - To be at or under 25,400lbs.

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Unread 05-30-2013, 03:52 AM   #2
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Nice rig...one guy in our club put a pop up on his 5th wheel... Still has room for two TJ....

Here it is with three TJs... Mine is up front!

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Unread 05-30-2013, 06:31 AM   #3
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I had thought about something like that but would require a Class A license to drive it. My setup is pretty much the biggest I could get and still stay under the 26,000 lbs GCWR limit. I highly doubt I'd get caught, especially in Texas, so I made my set up be 100% legal with a standard license. If I had a class A then I'd probably look into a 40' gooseneck with a nice size 20' camper on the front.

But that is a nice setup he has there
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Unread 05-31-2013, 01:05 PM   #4
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Update on weights:

Truck - Unloaded but had a full tank of diesel, me in it (200lbs.) plus all my extras like bumpers, side steps, bed liner, toolbox with tools, etc. 9,150 lbs.

Trailer - Unloaded - 5,850 lbs.

Total weight (truck and empty trailer) - 15,000lbs. exact.

Jeep - 4,220lbs. with empty fuel tank, no engine skid, no doors, no top.

Camper - 2,900lbs. with typical stuff in there and a close to empty 20# propane tank but no water in the fresh water tank

Total with Truck, gooseneck with RV - 17,900lbs.

Total with Truck, gooseneck with RV AND jeep - calculated to 22,120lbs. Haven't weighted it yet fully loaded down, will do that hopefully soon

Goal - To be at or under 25,400lbs.
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Unread 06-05-2013, 08:09 PM   #5
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Thats what I want to do when I get a tow rig that can handle it. Im lucky I don't have to worry about weight since I do have a class A CDL. The jeep should be under 4500 just make sure to get a lightweight camper to toss on there.
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Thats what I want to do when I get a tow rig that can handle it. Im lucky I don't have to worry about weight since I do have a class A CDL. The jeep should be under 4500 just make sure to get a lightweight camper to toss on there.
A Lightweight camper is the plan. I'm planning to never have the jeep top 5,000 lbs. I'm hoping it's around the 4,500lbs mark now so by the time I add a winch, and other armor I want it below 5K. I'd like to put on an aluminum front bumper, and all the tube fenders and corner armor to be alum. as well.
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Well phase 2 is in the works!

Last weekend I picked up a 2012 Jayco Swift SLX 154BH, everything on it or in it was factory except the previous owner added a 15K BTU 2nd A/C unit on the roof. Now this small camper has the factory 5K BTU and the 15K BTU and both can be ran at the same time, this thing cools down in a hurry.

I took a ton of measurements of my gooseneck and this camper to get some ideas going in my head on how I want to mount it. I'm not going to weld the camper to the frame of the trailer since I need it removable, the tongue will stay on the camper since it just under 18' overall so that will make it easier. I'm thinking of utilizing the stake pockets, maybe fab up a bracket that bolts where the leaf springs do then run an outrigger of some sort then to a c channel or something to slide in the stake pocket. Do that on both sides then fab something up like this at the front too, that would get rid of a lot of the bouncing in the camper.

This would only require removing about 6 bolts or so to lift the entire camper off the gooseneck then another 4 or 6 to take the mount system off the camper and allow me to reattach the axle

The undersides lowest hanging part is the holding tanks which hang right at 5" down so I'm thinking maybe a 6" or 7" "riser" off the deck of the goose.













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UPDATE! I mounted the RV to the gooseneck finally and all went well so far. We'll take the setup on it's first trip out in a couple of weeks so we'll see how she does! On to the pics:

Just pulled axle out:


Welded extra spring hanger for my support to mount to:


6" C channel to bolt up to the front and rear spring hangers, 6" gets the lowest part of my RV (the tank dumps) off the trailer about 1-1/2". I notched the C channel to make the forklift cross member (main support) fit up in the C channel to get more weld area and drop the trailer as low as I can to the deck.


Here is the entire support welded up and ready to put in. This is one HEAVY *****, the tube cross member is made of 6" x 3-1/2" x 3/8" thick galvanized angle! I put 2 sections of angle together to form a rectangle tube in the area where the fork of my forklift will be lifting.


Putting the RV on the trailer for the first time, trying to get it perfectly aligned for final mounting:




How everything is mounted up. The space between my framework and the rv frame is the thickness of the spring hangers but my framework is actually bearing the rv's weight on the front, middle and rear of it on both the passenger and drivers side. I bolted it to the rv's frame with grade 8 bolts, washers, lock washers and lock nuts


Measuring for the "hitch" I'm making to support the front of the trailer


6" long receiver hitch adapter welded to the gooseneck, I then leveled the gooseneck and rv and measured for the "extending" part of the hitch with ball mount. It came to 5-1/4", so I cut the 2" square receiver hitch tubing I got from a trailer place and drilled 2 5/8" holes for the hitch pin. The 1/2" flat steel plate is more than up to the task when the tongue weight is only a few hundred pounds.


Here it how I mounted to the gooseneck. I was going to mount it with a piece going into a stake pocket and drilling through the rub rail and stake pocket but I decided this would be easier and would allow me to bolt it down in 4 locations instead of 2. I used the typical grade 8 1/2"x2"-13 bolts, washers, lock washers and lock nuts. I'm thinking of welding 2 pieces of flat steel on the outsides of the angle iron to help as a guide when setting it back on the gooseneck after I take it off.


The overall deck space in the back is 14'.

I'll be going to get everything weighted shortly and will be taking it on it's maiden voyage in a couple of weeks to see how she does. I do have a couple finishing touches that I need to do such as mount some tool boxes up front between the gooseneck upright and front of rv, then I need to figure out some steps to get up in there. I'm thinking of just using a free standing double step of some sort that I can temporarily attach to the deck and remove as we drive.
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Wow... looks great! I like the bracket / mount that replaces the springs and axles on the trailer... as for steps, maybe a truck box mounted under the rail that has steps monyed inside the door?
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The problem with the steps is since the gooseneck is the extra wide 102" the main beams of the trailer are 8" inboard of the rub rail and hang down quite a bit. This means what ever step system I mount has to be only 8' wide total and more are 12" or larger from what I see. I'm already at max legal width so I can't go any wider than 8", I'll keep on looking. Worst case is I'll use a stand along system for a while until I find a narrow or slim stair system.

You have a good idea though, it would be cool to hide some steps in a box that can hold other crap as well!
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Looking good I've been kicking around building a crawler hauler for a while now and like where this one is going. As for the steps why not just fan up a " stair case" that hooks into the stake pockets when needed, and strap it to the deck while in motion?

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Looking good I've been kicking around building a crawler hauler for a while now and like where this one is going. As for the steps why not just fan up a " stair case" that hooks into the stake pockets when needed, and strap it to the deck while in motion?

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Thanks! Fab'ing up some stairs that hook into the rub rail or stake pockets are an option I'm thinking of. Harbor freight has a step platform that has gotten a bunch of good reviews and it's aluminum so the would save weight over a steel set I fab up. I'll see what I have laying around my office and if I have something to build some out of I will probably go that route.

So far I have $20 in adapting the RV to go on the trailer and that was for the front hitch mounting material, everything else I already had at the shop
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UPDATE: I got some weights today and they look pretty good!

Truck with full tank of diesel, gooseneck with RV attached. Typical things in the RV but no water 1/2 tank of propane.

17,900 lbs. This doesn't include spare parts/tools on the trailer set up.


I also weighed the jeep as well and it came in at 4,220 with almost an empty tank of fuel and no engine skid, which is usually on it.

here are some pics of the setup

Pulling it out of the shop for the first time



Here it is with the jeep loaded


The jeeps stinger in this pic is 4" from the back of the RV and the rear tires are right at the dovetail breakover
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Wow! That is an awesome setup! Now that's traveling in luxury. Cool!
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Thanks! I think we are going to love it.
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