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Unread 09-04-2012, 05:14 PM   #1
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Axle-less suspension?

In my search for lift on my lil trailer, I've come across what appears to be the easiest most functional way to gain ground clearance.

Timbren makes axle-less suspension systems, seem to use rubber bushings to absorb all the vibrations and whatnot.

Now, concerns about the longevity of the rubber come to mind, but lets not focus on that at this moment.

Im not planning to do any crazy wheeling with the trailer in tow, but doesnt it seem like the arm/suspension unit itself could easily bend away from the frame, or warp the frame. or even rip loose from the frame? Or am i just being paranoid?

I suppose one could reinforce the frame by running a length of stock or plate or something across the top, between the suspension units to stiffen it, but that would amost defeat the purpose of not having an axle...though it would be wayyyy above the height the axle would be at.

What say you all? Anybody have experience with this stuff? Seems like it would be SUPER easy to install. Either spend 200 bucks on an axle kit with springs and do a bunch of fab work, or spend 400 on this and never have to worry about dragging the axle.

http://www.timbren.com/axle-less1.htm
http://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Susp.../A20RS545.html

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A couple questions come to mind:

How heavy is your trailer?
What type of frame rail - C-channel? Fully boxed?
What size tire are you planning to run?
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1170 dry weight.

c channel

something small, but a 15" rim. I dont want to run 31's or anything.
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1170 dry weight.

c channel

something small, but a 15" rim. I dont want to run 31's or anything.
With that combination, I'd be comfortable trying the Timbren axle-less suspension. You're trailer is relatively light and you're not trying to run massive tires that will heavily leverage the suspension.

Assuming the C channel is in good shape, you should be fine as long as you get a real tight fit between the right-angle of the c-channel and the right-angle of the axle mounts, and bolt it nice and tight both directions.
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With that combination, I'd be comfortable trying the Timbren axle-less suspension. You're trailer is relatively light and you're not trying to run massive tires that will heavily leverage the suspension.

Assuming the C channel is in good shape, you should be fine as long as you get a real tight fit between the right-angle of the c-channel and the right-angle of the axle mounts, and bolt it nice and tight both directions.
I would also install a brace between the 2 suspension deals. likely above them rather than in the built in hole for clearance reasons. My only concern is also having to raise them to get some more clearance, looks like there's only about 2.5" between the center of the hub and the frame rail.
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Any updates on the Timbren axles?

I'm considering the "off road" version myself (ASR1200S01) BUT I haven't found anything that states if the weight rating is per unit or as a set??

I'm guessing the rating is for the set and hoping it's per unit. I have an e-mail into the e-trailer folks.
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IO'm going to end up just lifting my torsion axles and going with 24.5" trailer tires on 13" rims due to size restrictions of my camper's frame. I cant fit anything bigger without crazy lift or modifying the frame.
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IO'm going to end up just lifting my torsion axles and going with 24.5" trailer tires on 13" rims due to size restrictions of my camper's frame. I cant fit anything bigger without crazy lift or modifying the frame.
That's too bad for the rest of us - I'd hoped to learn from your experience with them.
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That's too bad for the rest of us - I'd hoped to learn from your experience with them.
Also decided it was silly to put 500 dollar suspension and then tires on a 800 dollar trailer.
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Also decided it was silly to put 500 dollar suspension and then tires on a 800 dollar trailer.
LOL - Yeah, that could be hard to stomach.
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Anyway...sorry folks!
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Also decided it was silly to put 500 dollar suspension and then tires on a 800 dollar trailer.
I came to the same conclusion. I bought the Dexter "flip kit" which converts the existing axle to SOA for < $50. Hopefully that will be enough lift to do what I want.
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